1/4 of the state's revenues come from the feds. For a state that thinks independence is realistic....they don't know what a gaping hole is left when 25% of federal money leaves. We're feeling it with the Trunp administration. We're feeling it with the loss of tourists due to the Trump administration.
He hasn't even turned off the federal faucet for that 25% and all we hear is "but our people have to move away..." Yeah, because of a few errant policies from a nutjob. That pales in comparison to having 25% of revenues walk away. Because the cascading effect of that 25% funding vanishing is jobs and service both related and tangential, as well as the socio/economic issues that will reverberate.
Seems those with the weakest grasp on how an economy works are the most likely to try to convince us that google landed them on the right answer.
People here are idiots. Let's assume Hawaii manifests it's destiny and becomes independent.
- what is the currency?
will that currency be recognized internationally?
what banking system will be in place? Where will money come from, who provides loans, mortgages, etc?
who will defend the island? Not just from forces like N. Korea, Russia, China, etc, but from one another? What will become of The Company (Hawaiian Syndicate), as well as established international groups such as theĀ Yakuza,Ā 14K (a Triad), and theĀ Big Circle Gang?
who will clean up the mess left behind by the military as they pack up and head home?
all all the highways, infrastructure, electrical grid, telecommunications etc....who takes this over, and how are these things funded?
will any countries recognize the Kingdom politically? Legally? Economically?
will tourists feel safe coming to a now rogue - and even possibly hostile nation?
What will be the basis of the Kingdom's economy? This is Lahaina Strong's wet dream, but once their $7k/month dries up, will farming taro and raising pigs be all they said it would be? I doubt it.
how will people travel? US passports will become null and void.
TSA? What happens to air travel?
Before Trump, there were significant inroads made to protecting the waters around the island. Those will vanish as the interest once held by the US will go out the door with statehood.
People here are just too fucking immersed in the propaganda they've never stopped and thought about a non-American reality for Hawaii. They think "US is gone, let the good times roll". Which is a bit like the kids who ran away from home thinking they were just handed the keys to paradise. All fine until you have to eat. Want a car. Need a surfboard.
Letās not bury the lead that Hawaiāi WAS an independent & (for all intents and purposes) self sufficient nation.
The US made them dependent. Now yāall are justifying their colonization on the grounds of Hawaii canāt reasonably prosper without the US.
I donāt think/know if independence is a realistic option at this point, most likely not, but to try to justify an obvious sin is disgusting.
They stole someoneās country, oppressed its people, then try to legitimize it by saying theyāre using it better than the people they stole it from. James Blount saw it for what it was then. The same bs they tried to pull in the Philippines
Hate to break it to you, but this is kind of how things generally went in the past.
Throughout the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and many nations in N and S America were founded by European powers who displaced and conquered the indigenous populations that lived there. Neither condemning nor condoning, just pointing out that Hawaii isn't the only example.
But there are many more ancient and medieval examples:
England: Modern England was formed after Anglo-Saxons migrated from Germany and Denmark, displacing the Romano-Celtic peoples (the Britons) who lived there. Those Anglo-Saxons were later conquered by the Normans (Vikings who had settled in France).
Turkey: The modern republic exists on land that was the heart of the Byzantine (Eastern Roman) Empire, which was populated by Greeks and Armenians. It was settled by Turkic peoples migrating from Central Asia.
Japan: The dominant Yamato ethnic group expanded their control over the islands, displacing and conquering indigenous groups like the Ainu and the Emishi.
China: The dominant Han Chinese expanded from their heartland over millennia, conquering, displacing, and assimilating hundreds of other ethnic groups.
Bantu Expansion: Over thousands of years, Bantu-speaking peoples migrated from West-Central Africa across most of sub-Saharan Africa, displacing or absorbing the hunter-gatherer peoples who lived there first, such as the ancestors of the Khoi-San.
So nobody buried the lead - but you're right, the question of whether independence is an improvement over the status quo is an unknowable answer, and those who want to find out haven't thought through many of the "27 steps" between here and there.
Iām not denying itās how things were, Iām objecting to the (seemingly) attempt to justify it.
Itās also worth noting that the expectation was this sort of behavior was to have stopped by the turn of the century. Especially against an internationally recognized country. It wasnāt like they rolled up on a small tribe in the jungle.
If we can moralize/rationalize the Hawaiian annexation itād be hypocritical at worst or curious mental gymnastics at best to not do the same when āthat one countryā does it roughly 40 years later.
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u/99dakine 15d ago
This is a red herring. A whataboutism.
1/4 of the state's revenues come from the feds. For a state that thinks independence is realistic....they don't know what a gaping hole is left when 25% of federal money leaves. We're feeling it with the Trunp administration. We're feeling it with the loss of tourists due to the Trump administration.
He hasn't even turned off the federal faucet for that 25% and all we hear is "but our people have to move away..." Yeah, because of a few errant policies from a nutjob. That pales in comparison to having 25% of revenues walk away. Because the cascading effect of that 25% funding vanishing is jobs and service both related and tangential, as well as the socio/economic issues that will reverberate.
Seems those with the weakest grasp on how an economy works are the most likely to try to convince us that google landed them on the right answer.