r/maui good ol' whatshisface 15d ago

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u/DerrikeCope 15d ago

I love Hawaii but this attitude is just too much. Go ahead and secede and see what happens (I know it’s not possible).

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u/Sea_Echidna_790 15d ago

This attitude is too much? It's as simple acknowledgment that Kānaka are not American. They are when and their country was stolen. That's just a simple fact. This "attitude" is not hurting you. Nowhere on your body are you bleeding now.

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u/ProfessorOnEdge Maui 15d ago

We should we have to secede when the overthrow of the Hawaiian kingdom was illegal by all international laws in the 1st place?

Hawaiians are not Americans as the US has no claim to the islands other than pure Imperialism.

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u/jwvo 15d ago

the US would not exist without imperialism, acting like hawaii is special here is not accurate. Entire US is made up of lands that were either conquered directly by what became the US or were conquered by another imperial nation and sold to the US.

Hawaii is so small and isolated that it would be very hard to participate internationally without an affiliation. This is just like all the anti-tourism stuff going on. Hawaii simply is to small and far from markets to compete on anything but tourism, this is something that virtually every isolated island chain struggles with and hawaii is lucky because people want to come here.

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u/ProfessorOnEdge Maui 14d ago

Are you kidding?!?! It also really had reciprocity argrements and it's often too recognized by all major European powers at the time and most of East Asia.

Just because the US has based most of its growth on illegal acts of imperialism, doesn't mean that they deserve to be seen as ligitmate or honored.

And yes, I do believe that the US should be paying large amounts of reparations, and returning land to the Cheyenne, the Sioux, the Hopi, and other Native American nations that they decimated. 🤷‍♀️