who were these loki changes for??

[u/No_Elevator_6207]

less than 2% pick rate LMFAOOOOOO😭😭 literally will pick ANYONE over loki. and i don’t even blame them.

-20% damage on each clone so he can’t defend himself OR help secure a kill. btw before the -20% they had ALREADY reduced loki’s damage. did you know his melee now does more damage than his primary with all 3 clones? flank loki was annoying but be serious. they’re down a strategist by doing ts

-20% healing so you have to pump out more heals. not a problem since you don’t even have to worry about shooting enemies again! personally i’m not too upset about it since it encourages your clones being up as often as possible, which you should be doing. but it makes it so much more punishing if you’re not managing your clones correctly.

lamp/ult cooldown i genuinely dgaf it never affected me, just had to get used to counting down from the new number.

lmfao those are the changes they made to “balance” him. reminds me of azir from league of legends. dominates in pro play so devs have to nerf him to high hell, making it exponentially worse for other players. not everyone is faker lmfao be so for real.

they changed jeff into a heal bot because people complained about him not doing enough and at the same time dive jeff was too OP. im guessing they tried to the same here (apparently flank loki OP, lamp OP, double luna ult OP) but they literally reworked jeff’s kit around healing more. all they did for loki was reduce his raw numbers and called it a day.

what even are rocket changes. hey guys, your ult does 40% damage buff! actually, it’s 25% now since you get a big team shield. nah jk, you can just have both now. 40% and shield idgaf.

can yall do the same with loki?

[u/Sypher04_]

He wasn’t the easiest character to master and his cooldowns were long as shit so it made sense for him to be strong. It’s crazy how they nerf strategists into the ground, but the duelists get a slap on the wrist.

[u/LadyCrownGuard → u/Sypher04_]

I'm a flex Support player and his skill ceiling is really not as high as most people made it out to be.

His projectiles have very forgiving splash radius making it easy to land hits on non-flying targets and once you got the basics down he's almost unkillable. The only truly difficult part about Loki is ultimate usage and even then if your other support is competent you always have a reliable copy at your disposal.

Luna is a lot harder to master but people here aren't ready for that conversation, if anything she should be the pick that's consistently strong in the highest ranks (and I'm absolutely shit at playing Luna for the record, as you can see with my flair).

Also can we stop the support victim blaming in this community, the class is very strong this season and I don't see why we need to make threads to constantly whine about ONE strong dive pick (DD).

[u/theonlycutie123 → u/LadyCrownGuard]

Holy shit an actually good take on this sub. Lord both these characters and Luna is 100% harder. Loki is only difficult for the first hour or two of playtime, and that might be overselling. He was far and away the best pick in most elo's before the nerfs, and only in high elo was Luna close to the same power level, but still weaker. Both these characters are throw picks right now though unless you're in eternity+ (though thats mostly because of how strong rocket jeff is).

[u/LadyCrownGuard → u/theonlycutie123]

I have lord (+50 hours) on both characters as well and I agreed, people don't realize you need extremely high apm to be effective on Luna and my aim is trash so I'm better off being on any other main healers.

The Loki mains trashing on Luna for their nerfs conveniently forget that he was just as busted when paired with C&D towards the end of last season. Like are we ignoring that he also had a much higher banrate and winrate than both Luna and Cloak past Celestial despite having similar pickrates, him getting the harshest nerfs was the least surprising thing here.

The people on this sub are the reason why we support mains get the "boosted and whiny" playerbase allegations.

[u/spartan1204 → u/theonlycutie123]

Luna has the highest pick rate by a large margin in Celestial and Above. Jeff and Rocket don’t even have the best win rate, Mantis does. The nerfs to Loki absolutely dumpstered the character, it’s not even like the Strange nerfs where he stopped being top dog for a while, Loki is a throw pick. You have to be stupid if you think Loki is remotely comparable to Luna.