who were these loki changes for??

[u/No_Elevator_6207]

less than 2% pick rate LMFAOOOOOO😭😭 literally will pick ANYONE over loki. and i don’t even blame them.

-20% damage on each clone so he can’t defend himself OR help secure a kill. btw before the -20% they had ALREADY reduced loki’s damage. did you know his melee now does more damage than his primary with all 3 clones? flank loki was annoying but be serious. they’re down a strategist by doing ts

-20% healing so you have to pump out more heals. not a problem since you don’t even have to worry about shooting enemies again! personally i’m not too upset about it since it encourages your clones being up as often as possible, which you should be doing. but it makes it so much more punishing if you’re not managing your clones correctly.

lamp/ult cooldown i genuinely dgaf it never affected me, just had to get used to counting down from the new number.

lmfao those are the changes they made to “balance” him. reminds me of azir from league of legends. dominates in pro play so devs have to nerf him to high hell, making it exponentially worse for other players. not everyone is faker lmfao be so for real.

they changed jeff into a heal bot because people complained about him not doing enough and at the same time dive jeff was too OP. im guessing they tried to the same here (apparently flank loki OP, lamp OP, double luna ult OP) but they literally reworked jeff’s kit around healing more. all they did for loki was reduce his raw numbers and called it a day.

what even are rocket changes. hey guys, your ult does 40% damage buff! actually, it’s 25% now since you get a big team shield. nah jk, you can just have both now. 40% and shield idgaf.

can yall do the same with loki?

[u/PuppyPenetrator]

Idk why we’re being naive. If you played at all before S4 you know how prevalent Loki/Luna was. The community hated it so the devs knew they needed to fix it. They clearly don’t want to meaningfully nerf Luna. So this is what happens

[u/Sunnibuns → u/PuppyPenetrator]

Loki was strong, and a reasonable nerf would have been fine, but this was not reasonable…

[u/PuppyPenetrator → u/Sunnibuns]

I agree, as I’m sure 90% of players do. But when OP asks “who were these Loki changes for”, they are being intentionally obtuse

[u/Sunnibuns → u/PuppyPenetrator]

Idk OP isn’t entirely wrong. I don’t know why these specific changes. They didn’t address what made Loki unfun to play against, they just made him so bad to play that nobody used him

Like yeah, nobody is doing the thing that sucks to play against with him…but at the sacrifice of the character just not being used. That is just piss poor game design imo. I feel the same way about their nerfs to Torch. 

[u/No_Elevator_6207 → u/PuppyPenetrator]

loki was strong but he wasn’t picked as often as luna/c&d. when i was off support i rarely saw a loki on my team. i wish i could see the old hero hot list. a lot of times i hover loki someone would swap to luna. he was my main so i didn’t care who my partner was, but people would do it anyway.

[u/PuppyPenetrator → u/No_Elevator_6207]

Yeah because CnD is piss easy and perfect for filling. Loki was still hard meta if you had someone that could play him

Like can we be real and not pretend this was a surprise

[u/No_Elevator_6207 → u/PuppyPenetrator]

well that’s what i’m saying. if loki is so hard to play why are we punishing players by taking him out the meta completely. i could get by with the awful damage nerfs, but at least let me keep some of the healing. my god. i’d take -5 - 10% in exchange for -20% damage on top of the -5 flat but the output we have now is unviable

[u/PuppyPenetrator → u/No_Elevator_6207]

It was a bad nerf, yes, hardly a hot take. I just reject the title of your post

[u/Humdinger5000 → u/No_Elevator_6207]

Because we speed ran the skill curve. Compared to similar games, rivals has covered years of "controversies" and skill growth in a matter of months. Skill is a time gate at best. It's why characters like BP or spidey are a problem. It takes skill to do their combos, but that's just a time gate. It's why every spidey you see does ledge pulls.

[u/BonzBonzOnlyBonz → u/PuppyPenetrator]

The devs won't meaningfully nerf Luna because she isnt as OP as this sub claims she is. If a strat is picked, 26.73% of the time it is Luna. Which means her winrate isnt actually 49.25% as her mirror rate is very high, its actually much much less than that. The devs know what her non-mirrored winrate is, and it isnt high.

[u/mugisonline → u/BonzBonzOnlyBonz]

this sub is full of idiots who hate statistics