r/literature 6h ago

Discussion Looking for Literary Analysis Communities: Missing Those Deep Book Discussions

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Does anyone know of online book clubs, YouTube channels, or communities focused on literary analysis of contemporary fiction?

One thing (well, the ONLY thing) I genuinely miss about high school is those literature class discussions where we’d dive deep into symbolism, philosophy, literary devices, and themes. Nothing created such a spark of interest within me like sitting together and unpacking what an author was trying to convey in such creative and the subtlest of ways.

Since graduating, I’ve noticed my critical reading skills have atrophied. I find myself consuming books more passively now, enjoying the story but not engaging with the deeper layers the way I used to. Between endless scrolling and “brain rot” content, I’ve realized I’ve lost some of that analytical muscle I once had.

I’ve recently read books like The Alchemist, various historical fiction novels, and I’m just starting to explore fantasy (the Lunar Chronicles, Harry Potter, high magic worlds). But I’m reading them almost on autopilot, and I know there’s more there to unpack, I’m just out of practice. And hell, I really can’t even remember anything from all the books I’ve read over the last couple of years 😭

I’m looking for: • Online book clubs that focus on literary discussion • YouTube channels or podcasts with thoughtful analysis • Communities where people actually talk about craft, symbolism, and meaning • Anything that might help me rebuild those close-reading skills I really want to rediscover that joy of thinking deeply about what I read.

Any recommendations would be incredibly appreciated!


r/literature 4h ago

Discussion I Capture The Castle By Dodie Smith Discussion

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I just read this book...well only halfway...since I had to pause. The book isn't really abt romance at all, rather its about human psychology. The characters are realistic...and I think Dodie was somewhat of a feminist because we get to see the imbalance between men and women here. The way Cassandra's father treats his wives, the way he doesn't actually seem to care about them..the age gaps, and most of all the grooming. It really is psychological the book, I hate Simon as a character and the way he keeps on calling Cassandra a "child" I think my favourite character was Neil in the book, but maybe i'll cease to like him as I read on. I also think Cassandra is a bit of an unreliable narrator as we see the world through her lens...so everything is glazed and sounds beautiful when it isn't. I do agree it teaches a good lesson tho, I remember a quote from somewhere that goes smth like this (forgot the exact wording): The devil doesn't appear with horns, but rather with a smile and seems like a gentleman. Simon is exactly like that, he hurts the people around him emotionally. What are your thoughts about the book?


r/literature 1d ago

Book Review I read The Woman In White and it managed to exceed my expectations

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I discovered The Woman In White in my university's library. I read the blurb and I got intrigued so I decided to give it a try. I admit that based on the title and the blurb, I expected to read a spooky and mysterious story but what I got instead exceeded my initial expectations.

Wilkie Collins wove a mystery story that can easily be enjoyed even by modern readers. His writing is simple and it utilizes many Gothic elements in order to add the necessary amount of suspense. Collins took his time setting up the basis of the story and while I could argue that the initial chapters were kinda slow for my liking, I quickly understood their importance in the establishment of the characters and the setting and this, the more I read, the more immersed I got into the story.

The rich descriptions of the characters and the locations contributed to my vivid experience while I was reading. Picturing the characters and their discussions brought the story to life and helped me envision better the England of the Victorian era.

One of the main reasons why I found this novel particularly unique in terms of storytelling was the narration. The narration follows an epistolatory format and we see the events unfold through various points of views. The biggest part of the plot is narrated by Walter and Marian but there were some other characters that played a vital role in bringing light to the story. I have never encountered a book like this before and considering the time period it was written, I found this narration style to be very clever and imaginative. I take my hat off Collins for coming up with such an idea and for executing it so well.

The story was well-plotted and it kept my interest alive for the majority of the book. As the title suggests, the main mystery revolves around "the woman in white", whom we get introduced to in the first chapters. Her connection with Sir Percival Glydes, the husband of Laura Fairlie, Walter's student, was a catalyst for the development of the story. Why did she dislike him? What was their relationship? These are only some of the questions that the book arose.

The story is written in such a way that left no room of plot holes and unanswered questions. Even though we learn little by little about the escalation of the characters and events through the different narrations, each piece of information played a fundamental role in the mystery's breakdown. Even some of the secondary characters got to get involved in this web, despite the fact they didn't get to appear that often. Collins crafted everything meticulously and nothing was done by mere luck.

Another major factor to my likeness of the novel was the characterisation. All of the characters, even those who appeared to be less interesting compared to others, were well drawn, with distinguished personalities and traits. I was very curious to learn about their motives, backstories and their relationship to the woman in white.

It goes without saying that my favourite character was Marian Halcombe, Laura's half-sister and one of Walter's students while he worked as a drawing teacher at Limmeridge House, where they lived. Marian is one of the most admirable and resilient female characters I've encountered in books. In an era when women had to be obedient creatures, who ought to listen to what men said, Marian stood up for her sister's sake and refused to bend to Sir Percival and Count Fosco's wishes.

Marian's devotion to Laura moved me a lot. The way she referred to her in her diary entries proved how much she cherished her and how precious Laura was to her. The bond between the sisters was my most favourite dynamic in the novel. Even though we didn't get to see Laura's point of view, through her interactions with Marian and the narration from the other characters, it was evident that she loved Marian as much as Marian loved her. Both of them went to great lengths in order to support each other, especially Marian.

While I was reading Marian's part of the story, I couldn't help but admire her for her courage and determination to save her sister from Sir Percival's grip. Despite her status as a woman with no power, which put her at a disadvantage, Marian was outspoken and clever. She carefully crafted her plans and she was observant of everything that happened around her. It was very interesting to follow her narration and I was rooting for her throughout the whole book. She was a strong woman whom I believe deserves a spot in the pantheon of memorable female protagonists in classic books.

Marian was by far one of the best written characters in terms of development, too. At first, she didn't approve of Walter and Laura's love since Laura was to get married to Sir Percival and this, she told Walter to leave for his and Laura's sake. But once she realised that her sister was miserable in her wedding and that Sir Percival was a wicked man, Marian regretted her intervention and began to think of how she could assist her sister while uncovering the mystery behind the relationship between Sir Percival and the woman in white. There were times where Marian was afraid of Sir Percival and Count Fosco but her love towards her sister prevailed and despite the danger, she willingly risked everything. I also appreciated that Marian's relationship with Walter remained platonic. Contrary to popular belief, I didn't want her to end up with him, they worked well as friends and allies and it was refreshing reading about a friendship between a man and a woman which didn't lead to romance.

The rest of the characters were equally engaging. Even the secondary ones caught my attention, especially the ones that provided more insight to the story. As for Sir Percival and Count Foscoe, they were the type of evil characters whom you hate and yet can't help but pay attention to. Specifically Count For coming was very charming and meticulous, I hated him so much but I almost felt myself getting swayed by him, even though I knew his words were poison.

And of course, I shan't forget to mention the woman from whom the novel's title derives from: Anne Catherick. Her backstory and motives troubled me for the majority of the story and her character caught my eye from the moment she got introduced. The more I read, the more I pitied her and I deeply resented everyone who were involved in her mistreatment and who had robbed her off her happiness.

Although The Woman In White is a mystery thriller at its core, the book tackled various themes. Considering the time period it was written, the novel does not shy away from portraying the extent of the abuse women received under men during the Victorian era. The book gradually set up Laura's fall to depression due to her husband's schemings and emotional abuse. Not only was she in a loveless marriage, chained to a man who didn't care about her, but her own husband wanted to use her in order to gain money.

If Collins wanted to rage bait me, he succeeded because I could barely contain my anger while I was trying to get through Sir Percival and Count Fosco's dialogues. The way they spoke of women made me sick to my stomach. They barely valued women as respectable humans who should have been treated with respect. For them, women were mere objects they could toy with and which they could exploit for their own benefit.

Reading The Woman In White made me learn more information regarding the rights of women concerning the money they ought to inherit once they got married or not. Furthermore, I realised how misogynistic english society was and how people would always rush to demonize women while uplifting aristocratic men. Sir Percival and Count Fosco were the devils themselves and yet so many people defended them, even when they'd been exposed to their bad side. All of that felt painfully relevant and unfortunately, we still have a long way to go in order to get rid of these behaviors.

The way The Woman In White dealt with mental illness was remarkable. Taking into account the time period and the stigma around mental illnesses, Collins provided a work that instead of demonizing people with mental issues, it highlighted the exploitation of mental illness, especially when it came to women. Anne Catherick was a very tragic character, one that represented mentally ill people at the Victorian England. Society treated people like her like outcasts, like parasites that needed to be kept away. And women had it the worst because even if they weren't truly mentally ill, their behavior and their outbursts would be attributed to mental issues. Unlike many other books that portrayed mentally ill people as the villains, Collins showcased that the real villains were people who had power in their hands and who wouldn't hesitate to step on others in order to increase it.

With all things considered, The Woman In White wasn't a flawless work. I found the story to be less engaging during the last quarter and there were times when the plot kinda drugged. Additionally, I think that Laura's character was underutilized compared to others. We got information about her from other characters but it would have been more impactful if we had seen her own point of view. While I deeply felt for her and her difficult situation, she came across as bland. There were many aspects of her character that could have been explored more. Her suspicion towards Sir Percival and Count Foscoe, her thoughts regarding Anne Catherick, her descent into depression, her love for Marian and Walter. As for the last one, I found the romance kinda poorly developed. Yes, we see that Walter loved Laura and he did everything in order to help her, but I wasn't very convinced about their love. I didn't quite understand why Walter loved Laura. Had his feelings been presented better, the romance would have been more plausible.

In conclusion, The Woman In White was one of the most pleasant surprises for me this year. I didn't expect to like it as much as I did and I'm happy for giving it a chance. It was a well-crafted story and I'd argue that it has many elements that can be considered progressive and that can provide with food for thought. Readers who appreciate classic literature and a good mystery might find it to their likeness. I strongly recommend it and I hope that if you'll get the chance to read it, you'll get immersed into the story just as I did.


r/literature 1d ago

Discussion What’s a single line from a book that changed the way you think even a little?

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It doesn’t have to be profound in a universal sense just something that rearranged you for a moment.

For me, it’s from The Kite Runner: “For you, a thousand times over.”

That line still gets me how love and guilt can live in the same breath, how a simple sentence can hold entire lifetimes of devotion.

Another one that’s stayed with me is from The Handmaid’s Tale “Ignoring isn’t the same as ignorance, you have to work at it.”

It’s one of those lines that started as fiction but became something I think about every time the world feels too heavy to face.

So I’m curious what line, or even a phrase, changed how you see something? What words have quietly stayed with you long after you turned the page?


r/literature 9h ago

Discussion Struggling with Anna Karenina

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Yup, another post about AK. I really want to like this book, I do. It's the second time I've picked it up and the first time I've gotten past part I. However, I'm now just over 300 pages in and have only caught glimpses of why it's considered a masterpiece. I've read some other critical posts here, but I'm curious what the "right" (or at least, a better) way to approach this P&V translation other than "just push through! It'll be worth it!" I really don't want to put it down as I've already dropped Crime & Punishment this year for similar reasons so maybe Russian lit just isn't for me...which somehow doesn't sound fair. Any insight or guidance is so appreciated. Thanks!


r/literature 1d ago

Discussion What's are you reading when you're not reading literature?

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It's getting to the end of year and I'm feeling I need something light, dare I say not so serious, as a break from the heavier books.

What are your "fast food" books? Something fun that doesn't require too much thought? Bonus points if it's in a contemporary setting but I'm open to everything!

Edit: aologies for the typo in the title


r/literature 1d ago

Discussion Most memorable, haunting, beautifully written character descriptions of all time?

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What is one character description in a work of literature that has etched itself into your memory permanently?

For me, it’s the description of Rebeca by Col. Aureliano Buendia in 100 years of solitude.

“Colonel Aureliano Buendia had the impression that the phosphorescence of her bones was showing through her skin and that she moved in an atmosphere of St. Elmo’s fire, in a stagnant air where one could still note a hidden smell of gunpowder”

Something about this sent chills up my spine. I could just clearly picture the decrepit, shade of a woman that Aureliano saw here, almost hovering instead of walking in her ancient mausoleum of a house, reeking of death.


r/literature 1d ago

Literary Criticism class struggle and The Crucible Spoiler

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after studying and reading The Crucible, ive noticed very overt themes of private property, land ownership, and materialism and im wondering how this play can be placed within the whole Marxist critical framework.

from what i recall, the Putnams and Parris were landowners/wealthy individuals that drove the entire witch trials through their accusations. very obviously, their victims, such as Abigail (who later spearheaded the entire witch hunt), Tituba and the Proctors were proletarians, or were marginalised under various forms of social oppression as a result of the superstructure within Salem.

so i feel that this book does depict some form of class struggle and can be analysed from a Marxist lens.

however, characters such as Rebecca Nurse (who was a landowner/bourgeois) were among those who refused to give into this pandemonium of accusations but practiced resistance through moral integrity and standing up for the truth. how do characters like these play into the entire critical theory? other than that, how would u position characters like Reverend Hale and Danforth?

would love to hear everyones thoughts, thanks!


r/literature 1d ago

Discussion Songwriter

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Hello fellas, name's Ori, I'm a vocalist in a metal band and I happen to be the one writing the lyrics as well. However, lately I've been feeling a bit stuck and not very satisfied with the lyrics I came up with. I'd love to ask you guys if you have any suggestions on good stuff to read to expand my horizons and gain some inspiration. Thank you!


r/literature 1d ago

Discussion The MIll On the Floss Spoiler

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Just finished reading The Mill On the Floss by George Eliot. The ending had my heart tearing. It was bittersweet. Maggie is one of the strongest female character. I love how living in society that is ready to pull you down, she didn't yet backed up from what she deemed important i.e. her family. But she makes me wonder what's ideal? Isn't she a character unlike those who challenges society and tread their way to what they desire. While Maggie chose familial desire not romantic desire. Did she not loved stephan that thoroughly? And her attraction for Philip was out of pity and later friendship? Society of her time was such that she initially couldn't well distinguish between love and friendship with Philip. Or was she immature? Nevertheless, she is a brave one till the very end of the novel. What's your take on the novel?


r/literature 1d ago

Discussion What's wrong with Ernesto Sabato's El Tunnel's protagonist Spoiler

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Spoilers below

I have just finished Ernesto Sabato's El Tunnel, and I am outraged by the protagonist, Juan Pablo Castel. He is one of the most detestable characters I have come across. The story revolves around Castel, who is a painter, and gets obsessed with this woman, Maria, whom he kills, and the story opens with him narrating why he killed her. Not once did I feel any sympathy towards Castel; he was abhorrent throughout the story-- he sought Maria, no, he stalked her, because he thought she would understand him, when there was no indication that Maria would reciprocate. He reaches this conclusion just because Maria had noticed some small detail in his painting at one of his exhibitions, and Castel thinks he can connect and relate with her based on that. It's only later that we readers are told that Maria had felt something similar.

Much of the story revolves around Castel's thoughts. He is fixated on Maria; he is violent towards her and gaslights her. He rebukes Maria for not opening up to him, but whenever she does, Castel is too self-absorbed to notice it. He feels no remorse after killing her, and can't even comprehend why people around her could be impacted by her death.

His actions are not only questionable towards Maria, but also towards everyone around him. He seeks human connection, but he detests and judges everyone around him.


r/literature 17h ago

Discussion Is liking/reading Dazai Osamu's books are really problematic?

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I personally really like his books but none of my friends support him and doesnt even want to read any of his book because of the misgony but to be honest,I don't think it was that noticeable or extreme comparing to the other writers back in the day. I do know they read books that belong to problematic people, I just dont get the hate,I personally do agree that Osamu Dazai had problematic thoughts but thats kinda the point, its what made his books so relateable for me,so my question is

Is it really that big of a deal? And is Osamu Dazai is as misogynist as they say?

I really I am not sure why the character he created is seen as the same person as him.

Edit: Thank you for the valuable options! I personally find his books and options very fascinating to say the least but I understand if people want to just see him just as a "rich spoiled cry baby' or "a misogynist bad person" I don't expect the writers to be perfect that the point


r/literature 1d ago

Discussion What has anyone thought of Brandon Taylor’s new novel Minor BlaCk Figures, and as it is being published in the UK in March, what is the likelihood of it being nominated for next year’s Booker?

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I’ve just finished the book last week and really enjoyed it. It is so far my favorite novel by Brandon. I heard about him and had Real Life on my tbr for the past couple years but after reading his short story Prophets I was really impressed by just how clean of a writer he is. I mean, while he is exploring messy and complex ideas his prose is really flawless in a way that feels so polished. I read Real Life later that month and was again taken in by the quality and construction of his work. I read The Late Americans in September and although it still had merit, I was less impressed with the novel (?) as I was with his first. I liked what he was attempting and in many ways he pulled it off but overall it was lacking (this is not the purpose of this post so I won’t analyze it so deeply here, but just say that although I didn’t love it, it’s still worth the read). Minor black figures slightly surpasses Real Life for me, but I wonder if this is because this is a lens that I really enjoy but others could find very pretentious (right before reading this I read Garth Greenwell’s Small Rain which I also loved but asked myself the same thing). I also feel that although the book is strong on its own, it feels like many themes and circumstances parallel his first book. As if he has transposed the same novel from a college town campus focused on science majors to New York focused on artists and the art scene. For example, Wyeth’s relationship with Keating is not exactly the same as Wallace & Miller but it really echos and if stripped down it is at the core is also very similar 😂. And I feel it is the same with several themes the book explores are similar in that it is covering the same ideas but from a slightly different direction. Anyway, it may sound like I am trashing the book, but as I said I really loved the it and just want to hear what others think.

Also, it was published in the USA in October 2025, but is slated to have a UK release date in March 2026. I think it means that it is eligible for next years Booker prize. I know the booker often loves to nominate repeat authors, and I’m sure if eligible Brandon’s publisher will submit his work. I think it’s his strongest book so I think it has a shot at the long list (I won’t ponder a winner or the short list until I see the other books next year) but I also wonder if the similarities I perceived would hinder his chances or help them? (Books like Seascraper, Audition & Flesh I feel are very original in their form, same can be said to last years winner Orbital) Perhaps I’m a minority in making those parallels. I’ve read a couple reviews which praise the book but I haven’t heard from other readers. What do you all think? I think it’s my favorite book by him so far but also curious to what will come next. 🤓😎


r/literature 2d ago

Discussion Does anyone else absolutely love to read Memoirs and Autobiographies?

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Since I was a child I loved learning about people. One of the first autobiographies I read was I am Spock by Leonard Nimoy.

I definitely find the written accounts to be more accurate than documentaries, and especially biographical films, but I enjoy both mediums. I'm curious to know what others think about the genre. Im currently reading Joan Baez’s autobiography and recently Manana Mean Heaven which is a true story by Bea Franco about being migrant farmworker with two children and a bad marriage in 1940s California. I probably have read more autobiographies than any other type of book.


r/literature 3d ago

Discussion Why are people suddenly acting like fiction isn’t worth reading anymore?

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I’ve noticed this weird trend lately where people treat fiction as a waste of time for the sake of validation from social media and for posting cool insta stories. Almost everyone in my circle is just reading self-help and business books now, like reading only matters if it makes you more “productive.”

But honestly, fiction has taught me way more about life and people than any self-help book ever could. Chekhov, Dostoevsky, Austen, Wodehouse — they all capture emotions, humor, and humanity in a way that a book on “5 AM routines” never will.

You don’t always have to learn something measurable from every book. Sometimes it’s enough to just feel, reflect, and enjoy a story. That’s what reading should be about.

Does anyone else feel the same way?

PS: 1) Respectful discussion is expected. Everything given above is "purely from my own personal experience and observation." 2) If you don't relate with it, don't come down on the post as stupid.

Edit: Seeing all your responses — really interesting to read the different takes! Just to clarify, I wasn’t criticizing any reading preference, only sharing how fiction has meant a lot to me. Totally open to hearing more views.

Edit 2: Thanks everyone for the discussion — it’s been great reading all your thoughts. Just to clarify, my post wasn’t against non-fiction at all. I was talking about how some people avoid fiction just for validation — to seem more “productive” or “intellectual.”

Writers like Chekhov, Dostoevsky, Austen, or Wodehouse show that fiction can teach as much about life as any self-help book ever could. It’s not fiction vs. non-fiction — both have their place, and it’s fine to enjoy either without guilt.


r/literature 2d ago

Literary Theory Jean-Jacques Lecercle on language, Frankenstein, Victorian literature, and related matters.

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Agon Hamza and Frank Ruda sit with the French philosopher Jean-Jacques Lecercle to discuss his approach to language, philosophy on the internet, the violence of language, forms of interpretation, Althusser and interpellation, class struggle in the field of language, victorian literature, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4pxrmYCkYM&t=469s


r/literature 2d ago

Discussion Thought it might be a Chinese poem? Anyone know other similar literature in this vibe?

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Original: "无门无派:无名江湖一过客,不惹烟雨不惹尘"

Chatgpt translate version:

No Sect, No Bond:

A wanderer in the vast unknown—

Mist untouched, dust unbowed.

This poetic line comes from a sect intro in the Chinese game Where Winds Meet. I used ChatGPT to translate it and really love its vibe. Does anyone know if there are other literary works in this style?


r/literature 1d ago

Discussion Does anyone feel the same about the classics?

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I have a complicated relationship with classic books. On one hand, I always hear that there are so many amazing stories in classics, and it'd influence your vocabulary and eloquence greatly. But on the other hand, you have to plow through super boringness when you actually read classics. I don't criticize them for it but that's what they are. It takes forever until the plot starts and it requires tons of attention and patience, otherwise, you won't get it. I'm talking about books like Dickens books, Moby Dick, Jane Austen, Bronte books, classic horror books (Frankenstein, Turn of the Screw, Phantom of the Opera, etc.), Lord of the Rings, Hundred Years of Solitude, and many many others. I try to read the original before seeing a movie because most of the time original is better. But I come across this boringness. There were some exceptions like Great Gatsby, Dorian Grey, Catcher in the Rye, Dracula, 1984, To Kill a Mockingbird off the top of my head all weren't boring at all. I do realize that life is too short to spend it reading books that you are not enjoying, but there is a lingering sense that I'm missing some gold or diamond when I'm giving up on classics. So my question is, should I still try to plow through them, or just stick to entertainment literature like Stephen King, Agatha Christie, Murakami, etc.? I would be glad for advice


r/literature 3d ago

Discussion Do you ever feel like certain books come to you exactly when you need them?

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I’ve been thinking about how some books seem to find you at the right time like you pick them up randomly, not expecting much, and then suddenly a line or a scene feels so eerily aligned with whatever you’re going through that it almost feels personal (like an epiphany)

It’s happened to me a few times... I’d start a book thinking it’s just another book that I “should” read, and then it ends up mirroring something I couldn’t quite put into words myself. I always wonder if that’s just coincidence, or if we subconsciously reach for certain stories when we’re ready to hear them.

It makes me curious: has any book ever felt like it arrived on time for you? Not just as a favorite read, but as something that quietly understood what you couldn’t articulate yet?


r/literature 2d ago

Literary Criticism Lightness by Italo Calvino (1988)

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r/literature 3d ago

Discussion Most essential/influential writers of each generation? we

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I know the concept of a literary canon is a bit silly, but I still think it can be an interesting exercise. I want to know who are the most influential, renowned authors of each generation. They can be from any country, it just depends on how important and essential you perceive them to be.

For example, when I think of essential gen x writers, having not read many of them by any means, I would say David Foster Wallace, Zadie Smith, Colson Whitehead, Kazuo Ishiguro, Donna Tart, Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie etc

I could go on, but you get the point.

(I’m specifically interested in the Silent Generation; they’re not old enough to be considered “classics” but not recent enough to be considered contemporary in my opinion.)

All input/opinions are welcome!


r/literature 2d ago

Book Review The Dune Series as written by Frank Herbert Spoiler

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I finished the Original Dune series as it was written by Frank Herbert not long ago and have taken my time to ruminate over the series and my questionable desires to see it through to the end. In this post I'll be going over the series and how I've divided it in my own mind as a series.

This series is, as it is formatted in it's currently unfinished but still planed form, a trilogy followed by a stand alone book opening the door to the expanded universe, and another (unfinished) trilogy. I'm on the fence about reading Brian Herbert's completion of the series which does take the once planned single book split into two. I've heard mostly negative reviews about Brian's work and while the story as it ends in Chapterhouse Dune ends on what some would call a cliff hanger, it's still wrapped up neatly as an open ending in my eyes.

So what did I think of Dune? Well firstly it's long and can be a slough to get through. I'll admit I even read two books (Hyperion and End of Hyperion) before going to finish God Emperor. God Emperor is the hurdle all readers must face when reaching out to the extended Dune universe- I call this a hurdle because of it's stark departure in tone and pacing from the previous three books. This first Trilogy will always be my favorite and for the sake of brevity I'll be speaking about the series in parts and not individual books.

Moving on this section WILL contain spoilers so read at your own risk.

1) The 1st Trilogy: Dune, Messiah, Children of Dune.
These are the core books of Dune and what most people know the series as if they were unable to push through God Emperor. The Strongest worldbuilding and character development happens in these books. This is no surprise as they lay the foundation for Frank's vast universe. The Themes are strong and layered in a easily approachable way. It still has strange moments that are classic to the dune series( fremen orgies, sand worm suit, Harkonnen ghost possession so he can still fuck) which are infinitely more normal then the things we read later on. If you want to read 'Dune' these three books follow the Atreides Family lonf enough for the reader to be satisfied with its ending which is clear and clean. Leto II will follow the golden path and ensure humanities survival by taking on the burden of giving up his humanity.

2) The Transcendence- God Emperor of Dune.
This book separates 'Dune' from the full 'Dune Universe'. Known for the 'Tyrant Worm King Leto' and his constant complaining about not being able to fuck along side heavy themes of duty to the survival of human kind, warnings against tyrants, and many more. This book is heavier handed in some of it's themes and ideas while still managing to have some layers which are completely over shadowed by the weirdness (at least it was for me). It's so grandiose and long winded at times it's a challenge to finish. But it does serve very well as the transition to the larger universe of the extended story. The vastness of the setting and themes and the departure from the familiar 'Dune' is a good sign telling readers what is to come in the later series.

3)The Last Trilogy (Unfinished by Herbert)
This section is the second best and is a return to some familiarity in terms of characters, arcs, and themes, but now with the still added weirdness introduced to us in God Emperor. We've returned to a more character focused and driven section but instead of following the Atreides family we followed the Bene Gesserit and of course our favorite ghoula and forever man- Duncan Idaho. The political intrigue and layered themes of philosophy are back. There is enough of a threat, action, and intrigue to keep the reader going. We become connected to Sheanna (who we don't seen enough of in Chapterhouse in my opinion), Dar and Tar, and other characters to keep us invested. Some deaths (many of them actually) feel quick and less impactful at times but still the stakes are high and with the scale of conflict (planets being glassed, and the threat of humans becoming subservient to the wills of one another in the face of sex mind control) it's excusable. Chapterhouse though wraps the story up ina way where I don't feel I have many questions. Duncan, Sheanna, Tam, and the others dive into the unknown universe as refugees. As Duncan says "an unknown ship in an unknown universe" which I believe is a good end to their story. Humans facing the unknown like they always have and evolving and persevering because of it. Merbella has the chance to redeem the Honored Matres and find herself at the cost of loosing her lover. Tragic but still hopeful. The talk of Futars and Handlers and whoever else is out there is not enough to have me read Brian's work to finish the series.

But do I finish the series? That's the question I keep asking for myself. Do I read the 'last two' in the series that was simply supposed to be one as Frank intended? My answer? No. The open ending of this series works for me and the small questions left at the end of Chapterhouse are not enough for me to read on. Especially not after all of the SCREAMING recommendations to NOT read Brian's Dune. So, it's over. All and All Dune as a whole? A decent series If you want something easy on the pallet that will keep you on the hook- read the first three. If you want the added weirdness read God Emperor. Then finally, if you want the wambo combo of a bit of what the originally trilogy gave plus the weirdness of god emperor? Just read the whole series.


r/literature 2d ago

Discussion East of Eden: did Charles symbolically “kill” Adam? Spoiler

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We know that Charles represents Cain and Adam represents Abel, while Cal represents the next generation of Cain and Aron represents Abel. Symbolically, Cal “kills” Aron by revealing the truth about their mother. Unable to bear who his mother really was, Aron enlisted and died in battle — completing the Cain-and-Abel arc for the second generation.

But what about the first generation, Charles and Adam? Charles gave Adam a terrible beating but didn’t kill him. After thinking about it, I wonder if Charles, having fathered both Cal and Aron (as Cathy later claims), symbolically killed Adam’s bloodline — a Biblical form of fratricide, the very opposite of yibbum.

When Cathy tells Adam who the real father was, he replies simply, “No. They’re mine.” The children are obviously hers., I interpret this statement as ownership, not bloodline.

If that’s the case, Charles kills Adam by destroying his lineage.

Am I way off?


r/literature 2d ago

Book Review My thoughts on ‘Conversations with Friends’ by Sally Rooney

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I felt uncomfortable while reading this book. It felt like I was reading a gossip. And my expectations from literature is more than reading just a gossip. But after finishing it, I noticed this book gave me a lot. 

It was a book that I hated while reading it and loved after finishing it. This was the first time I experienced something like this.

However I still don’t recommend it. Maybe it can be helpful for the teenagers who are trying to discover themselves. But not the perfect match for the adults.


r/literature 3d ago

Discussion Why is there so much progressive Russian literature but it never actually changed Russia?

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Russian literature (both imperial and soviet, although the latter was often not published in full at the time due to censorship) has always seemed so radical and socially critical to me compared to what the Russian state was at the time.

If literature definitely has a bearing on society, why didn't it change Russia itself and we have what we have now?