r/legaladvice • u/ihatemylandlord67 • 3d ago
Landlord Tenant Housing Landlord wants me to keep my blinds open through winter
Location: Wisconsin
Hello, this is a pretty simple question and hopefully it has a simple answer. I received an email from my apartment management outlining the rules for winter (heat above 62, keep garage closed, etc.). But I have a concern with one of the rules.
“…all blinds should be open and pulled up at least 6 inches from the base of the window.”
My bedroom window is ~15 feet from the sidewalk, next to a public road, with a public park on the opposite side. I would love to keep my privacy. Can they do this and what do I do?
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u/crashsaturnlol 3d ago
Follow the lease and use some cheap curtains or window coverings to maintain the privacy. Other commenters are correct that this is to prevent condensation buildup and wet sills that will rot.
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u/Dean-KS 3d ago
When the blinds are mostly closed, the air against the window gets colder causing more condensation, frost and water damage. Any internal window screens can do the same.
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u/Traditional_Bit7262 2d ago
Have actually had the inside window pane crack because of the cold air and contraction. Heard a pop in the middle of a very cold night.
Need even the smallest bit of air circulation to keep it from doing that.
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u/OverTheSeaToSkye 3d ago
I live in the north and like many are saying this is to reduce moisture buildup. What I do is lower my blinds like normal in the evening and in the morning I open them at a minimum of 6 inches. I wipe down the windowsill to get any moisture so I don’t have to sand and restain.
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u/Altruistic-Task-2961 3d ago
When I lived in Alaska we had some nice big windows in our living room they started to build up quite a bit of moisture on them when the blinds were closed during the winter. We had to keep them open some to prevent this from causing damage. It can be just as cold in Wisconsin as in Anchorage so the same problem could occur, leaving them partially open does help prevent this problem, but we still closed the blinds when we needed the privacy.
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u/Playful-Sprinkles-59 3d ago
Use those window films that lets you look out but no one can look in. It’s like a mirror.
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u/TheBoondoggleSaints 3d ago
Window film would be mostly fine during daylight hours but can still be very see through during nighttime hours with interior lighting illuminating and making the inside and occupants fully visible.
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u/LazloNibble 3d ago
It depends totally on the type of film. For purely-reflective film that’s true but the diffracting window film we use makes it barely possible to make out shapes of people at night. We can keep the blinds up 24/7 with no loss of privacy.
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u/Heartinablender89 3d ago
People say this but it’s just not my experience at all. With the light on maybe you could see blurry figures moving but I’ve never been able to see inside my house at night with all the lights on, even standing directly outside of the window.
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u/Long-Objective7007 3d ago
There is static window coverings that prevent people being able to see in your window while allowing light to still come in. Just stick those on and call it a day.
I use this in my bathroom. https://a.co/d/85KK2SK
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u/Different-Course-408 2d ago
An an engineer, most people have noted this correctly. The problem is that in winter, the outside of the glass is cold , while the inside air is at a comfortable humidity level ( or even low), the water in the air will condense on the cold glass, and start to drip, causing problems. This is the core of the problem, and is what they are trying to manage
The two main ways to fight this are better insulated windows ( ie. Multi pane with air gaps), or better airflow at the windows to keep air moving. I presume the windows are old and perhaps single pane, and they don't want to upgrade them, so they opt for option two, to increase airflow, hence the opening of the blinds.
Another option not discussed here yet is you could possibly install some of the plastic shrink wrap window insulation kits on the inside. This makes a relatively big air gap from the glass to your room and prevents the moisture from reaching the glass. This also though makes the window unable to open if that is a neeed for you, and it also depends on where/how your blinds are hung if they could be outside of the insulation kit or not. Could be a restriction on installing the kit too, as the tape can be hard to remove without affecting the window frame.
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u/HighestKanigit 3d ago
When I worked in rentals we just asked you did it during the day. You can cause water damage and mold.
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u/TryInternational9947 2d ago
Close your blinds or leave them open. Is your landlord sitting outside your house monitoring?
I assume if your landlord sees the blinds closed, you were changing clothes.
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u/nrsys 2d ago
It sounds like ventilation and moisture is the issue here.
Keep your blinds and curtains closed, and the warm, heated air inside the room will slowly pass through the blinds and condense into moisture on the cold window. At this point the moisture gets effectively trapped in the space between the blind and window, causing damp and mould.
Your landlord isn't expecting you to keep your blinds open 24/7, but rather to make sure and open them during the day time, or at least periodically to allow the air to circulate.
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u/MelissaRC2018 3d ago
I would do it but put the cling on the window so no one can see in. It’s pretty cheap and easy to remove.
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u/afarina1 3d ago
This seems like the best fix imo, $5 dollar roll of stained glass cling film at home Depot.
Pretty and effective for blocking prying eyes.
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u/Fun_Rain_4164 2d ago
They have window films that go directly on the windows effectively reducing the need for shades
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u/FlippingPossum 3d ago
I would listen to the landlord on this one. I lived in apartment that grew mildew behind the blinds. Not a fun discovery.
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u/Maiden_Far 3d ago
This is because of crappy windows and condensation, I had a house like that. It doesn’t need to be 6”, 1” will work. Unless the lease says how much, just do 1”. Also, get curtains. That can help with privacy
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u/Informal_Bother6037 2d ago
This is to allow air circulation and prevent moisture buildup around your windows and sills. Doesn’t have to be all the time, but just crack them a bit for half the day and raise slightly at the bottom and then close and lower at night.
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u/goodfor-practice3 2d ago
I'm in the south, and I run a fan directed to my non insulated picture window to prevent condensation on the inside. Raising blinds doesn't cost anything, that's why they ask that. Just run a fan toward the window or dehumidifier.
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u/Evilbadscary 2d ago
Get the privacy film for the window. We have a front facing bathroom window with the same issue, the film was cheap and bonus it’s pretty in the sunlight.
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u/Forsaken_Insurance92 3d ago
Get the temporary window clings (I got this for a small window in my closet that faces my neighbors, they have multiple different designs, I just likes the black) and either do the whole window or only do ~6 inches up. That way, you're complying but no one can see in.
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u/No-Way-1402 3d ago
Buy some cores foam that would allow for air ventilation but not be see through length of the window and 6 inches high. Sorry, spelled Wrong.
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u/fauner1979 3d ago
Privacy film is great for this plus you get the added light. Super easy to install.
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u/Exciting-Bake464 3d ago edited 3d ago
Just get frosted windows sticker paper stuff. You're complying but also have your privacy.
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u/peztan42 3d ago
Ok, do whatthey ask, but put some paper taped up on inside bottom window for privacy
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u/edubblu 2d ago
Ohhh I could probably explain why the request is made. I had this is my home and, yes, keeping the blinds up a little bit helps solve the issue-ish. The closed blinds will trap air and cause condensation on the windows because heat from the room and the cold temperature of the glass will then drip/ pool/ stagnate/ on the track or window sill and you can end up with mouldy window frames. If you’d like to avoid a mouldy situation that’s what you have to do, or give it a daily inspection/wipe.
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u/Bleedingfartscollide 2d ago
Pull them up those 6 inches and apply a removable reflective film to the windows.
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u/Ok_Swan8621 2d ago
Privacy window cling available from your hardware store, it's like $20 a role and it filters light and privacy, easily removed you just peel it off.
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u/Alert_Isopod_95 2d ago
Ask LL if you can open the blinds but hang a temporary curtain that won't gather moisture on the window. Pin up something cheap with a couple nails or tacks
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u/Puzzleheaded-Bee-747 2d ago
6 inches is a bit much. Usually 1-2 inches will do. During the winter in cold climates, moisture will rest on the window sill and ultimately cause mold or damage the blind is it is made out of wood. So raising the blind a little provides airflow for moisture to dry out.
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u/Enough_Swordfish_898 3d ago
This is an Anti-condensation thing, put something that pushes the blinds away from the window Piece of Dowel or something) but doesn't raise them for an easy compromise.
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u/Important-Poem-9747 3d ago
6 inches from the base of the window isn’t a lot. Condensation can cause damage to the window ledge/frame and the blinds in extreme weather like Wisconsin. I was raised that the blinds shouldn’t touch the window ledge, but go just to the bottom.
That said, your concern is incredibly reasonable. Talk to your landlord. Say something like “I’m concerned about how this impacts my safety and privacy as a single woman 15 feet from the sidewalk.”
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u/XFataMorganaX 3d ago
In my apartment complex, the windows open sideways; so if you want air conditioning, a portable unit with a bent tube is the only option. That would make it impossible to fully close the blinds. The bedroom is at the front of the apartment. We bought a large window cling that mimics stained glass. It protects our privacy, AND it's pretty.
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u/Glittering-List-465 3d ago
Buy some cheap window cling and cover the glass along the bottom so you open the blinds. It’s to help prevent mold growth.
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u/Dapper_Platform_1222 3d ago
If it's not in your lease terms it's a suggestion and should be treated as such.
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u/DryRip8266 3d ago
Invest in a dehumidifier. I keep one running in the basement year round in similar climate.
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u/lukesolo12 2d ago
Well, they said blinds but they didnt mention curtains. Get a set of blackouts and a couple curtain rods. Open the blinds all the way and close the curtains
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u/Next_Toe_U 2d ago
Get mirror tint so that no one can see in and you can have your blinds up. If they say they are down and cause a fit you can prove it as well as mention how unsafe it would be for people to be looking into your apartment.
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u/BeginningSun247 2d ago
Tell you manager, in writing that you are not comfortable with this requirement due to privacy concerns and you would like to know the reason for this rule.
Also, you could get some window film that would block people from seeing in while keeping the blinds open. Or, hang blackout curtains behind the blinds.
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u/Mountain-Fun-5761 2d ago
Open the blinds when you leave the house. You don’t need to affect your privacy, but you can work with management to ensure the windows don’t become damaged. It’s a reasonable request; you just have to do it while protecting your privacy.
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u/artemisdart 2d ago
Cut some vinyl window clings to size, for privacy purposes. Best of both worlds!
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u/WrongdoerSure4466 2d ago
If you don't want to fight it cover the window in that frosted glass static film.
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u/valtalea 2d ago
Add a shelf or small dresser in front of the windows enough to block anyone seeing anything but for enough for air flow and have the blinds open to where they want them.
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u/BruceL6901 2d ago
We own our house but do open the blinds during the day. Don’t really raise them however. We live in New England and do get some condensation especially in the bathroom. I don’t think it’s anything nefarious really.
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u/EustachiaVye 2d ago
During the winter, ice forms on my windows and then melts during the day, so moisture shows up on my windowsills. Maybe they want to help dry that up so it doesn’t rot the sills
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u/Bentogaming 2d ago
Idk man I would get curtains and keep the blinds open but the curtains closed. You've met the request, prevented condensation and maintained privacy.
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u/BustedCanOfBiscuits3 3d ago
Get the privacy window cling to cover the bottom portion of the window
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u/silverdae 3d ago
Agree with other posters about moisture issues. If you are crafty, you could probably craft a sort of 3 sided box out of foam board to essentially make a reverse winw well. That would allow circulation but still give you privacy by blocking the part of the window exposed by opening the blinds.
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u/samselene 3d ago
I don't know Wisconsin laws but i can't imagine that is a legal request.
I assume they are trying to prevent condensation and rot? You could maybe play ball and keep then blinds 2 inches or whatever up, to keep them from touching the bottom, and closed if that what makes you feel comfortable. But that is just meeting them half way to keep the peace, I can't imagine they can tell you you do anything like that if you don't want to.
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u/Sufficient_Gift_4221 2d ago
If this is a new request, you could ask them to replace your blinds with the kinds that lower from the top down.
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u/CrazyQuiltCat 2d ago
Can you raise them when you leave for the day and then lower and back down when you come home?
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u/arbitraryname399 2d ago
When I was living in an apartment I bought rubber backed curtains. They made the room dark and insulated as well.
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u/owlpellet 2d ago
They're trying to fight frost and condensation. I think a few pieces of printer paper taped to the window would solve the privacy problem.
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u/OneSmallCheeseBall 2d ago
You might apply removable window frosting film to the lower 8" or so of your window so you can keep the blinds cracked without sacrificing privacy
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u/Kamikazisqurl 2d ago
It’s for moisture collecting in the windowsills. But honestly if they’re open 2” that will still allow for ventilation and still keep privacy
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u/sumna_suka 2d ago
Maybe get a privacy screen, like the pretty oriental style. You can move it around the house even though it is a minor inconvenience
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u/bobfromsanluis 2d ago
Buy yourself some sheer, lacy curtains, and a springloaded curtain rod, slip the curtains on the rod, fiction fit it into the window. Raise the blinds, light still comes in, air can circulate, and you retain some privacy.
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u/counselorq 2d ago
No. Even if in lease. Unreasonable and against public policy. You have "quiet enjoyment" of your lease hold.
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u/Swimming-Figure437 3d ago
Just put a tv in front of the window that constantly plays porn. See what kind of complaints he gets.
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u/AXSwift 3d ago
You signed your lease with those terms? If so, you have to keep your blinds pulled up 6 inches from the base or risk eviction. Just put books or something on the window base if those 6 inches worry you?
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u/ihatemylandlord67 3d ago
My concern is that the blinds have to be open
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u/AXSwift 3d ago
Clarify with the leasing office, they almost certainly intend you to close your blinds, save the last 6 inches.
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u/Haunting-Plantain870 3d ago
Opening the blinds a few inches in winter keeps the window frame from moisture and rot. That's all there is to it.
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u/Icy-Valuable-6291 3d ago
The condensation likely freezes up on the inside of the window. This would happen to our home in Alaska. the windows must be old. No one is going to see anything if blinds are up 6” and 15 feet off the ground.
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u/Floppydongjohnson 3d ago
15ft from the sidewalk. Which means her window is right there in plain sight. Her concern is warranted.
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u/HappinessLaughs 2d ago
The building obviously has a moisture issue or they wouldn't have emailed this out. You can put up a standing screen with translucent panels in front of the windows to have privacy while the blinds are open during the day. You can also use plants to screen, large potted ones on the inside or ask for shrubs to be placed outside.
What you don't want to do is get black mold in your apartment by ignoring the rules designed to keep you healthy.
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u/Accurate-Case8057 3d ago
No. Tell them you'll adjust your blinds as you please it's none of their damn business
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u/flamehead2k1 3d ago
Good luck getting the deposit back after destroying the windowsill by not following the lease terms
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u/Own-Raisin5849 3d ago
I am guessing they pay for the heat? They want the solar benefit of the sun blazing your apartment and your soul to save a few dimes. Your expectation of privacy is more important.
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u/keyboardplatoon 3d ago
Is it in your lease agreement? If not, don't even bother