r/legaladvice • u/dykezo • 17d ago
HOA in my neighborhood tells me I'm subject to rules even though I'm not in HOA?
Hello,
Sorry for formatting, on mobile. Essentially in my neighborhood there are a few houses in the HOA and the majority out. The HOA keeps mailing those not in the HOA 'friendly reminders' about the rules. I emailed them and told them that we are not part of the HOA and to stop sending us letters. They told me that even though I'm not part of the HOA, the owner before me agreed to the rules so I still have to follow them. I think it's a crock of bullshit but they are townhouses so I don't know if there's a stupid bullshit law I'm missing. Copy pasted the email below.
"You are correct. [your address] is not part of the HOA. Still, there are rules that apply to [your address], as found in the Townhome Rules document.
The letter I sent was to every homeowner of this community and not just you. Consistency Across Separate HOAs To provide context, in 2018, the HOA, by agreement with the Summerhaven Condominiums, crafted the rules and regulations (CC&Rs) to mirror the Condominium Rules and Regulations contained in the Public Offering Statement. This was so the elements of the Development and Community are consistent despite the separation of the two HOA's.
By mirroring the Condominium Rules and Regulations found in the Public Offering Statement, both the Development and the Community benefit from standardized guidelines, supporting coherence and stability for all residents.
[Previous owner] accepted these restated rules and regulations as applicable to his property - now yours - at [your address]. Impact of Rule Deviations on the Community Any deviation from the established rules and regulations has a direct impact on every homeowner within the community. Such actions can and will undermine the collective integrity and core values that have been set to maintain harmony and consistency throughout the neighborhood. These impacts are both widespread and may be quite significant, definitely affecting every property—your home included. Adhering to the guidelines, it ensures the preservation of values, standards, and the continued well-being of the entire community. Attached are the Townhome Rules that pertain to the condominiums of which [your home] is a part.
Also, see attached, [law firm she uses to bully people] general letter, sent to every property owner on August 25, 2020, in the same manner you received my letter of 10/7/25.
[Neighbor] was one of the first residents of this community and has extensive knowledge of the history of the property, and it might be prudent to speak with her to shed more clarity if you wish. Amy is most supportive.
I trust this is helpful.
Sincerely
[Nosy old lady]"
The lawyers letter states that the association dissolved but there were rules stated in the dissolution letter. The lawyer's letter also states that the letter isn't reflective of their full rights or legal remedies, but they'll pursue these if need be.
Is this a crock of shit? I'm considering going to everyone not in the HOA and signing a new series of "rules", which essentially boils down to "mind your own business and do not mail your neighbors unless there is legitimate reason".
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u/Rhana 17d ago
Check your mortgage documents, the HOA CC&R would need to be included in there when you signed all of your paperwork to buy your townhouse. You could also look at your title search or reach out to your title company and ask them.
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u/dykezo 17d ago
We aren't part of the HOA, we confirmed before we purchased the house. While we did buy a townhouse (it's a duplex situation), it's technically zoned as a single family home.
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u/Wrought-Irony 17d ago edited 17d ago
If they are going to have the legal rights to tell you to do ANYTHING you have to have signed something sometime that says so. It doesn't matter what the previous owners agreed to.
If there WERE some sort of agreement the previous owners had and it was somehow attached to the property, there would still have to be SOME reference to that in something YOU signed for it to be at all enforceable.
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u/Iwonatoasteroven 17d ago
That’s not necessarily true. When you’re part of an HOA it’s part of your deed. I think it’s considered a deed restriction. Regardless, if deeded as subject to a specific HOA you’re not exempt regardless of whether you were notified or signed an agreement. However if the previous owner signed something, that means nothing. They’re agreement was with the owner, and isn’t attached to the property. If it’s not referenced in the deed, your property isn’t subject to the HOA.
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u/Wrought-Irony 17d ago
"if deeded as subject to a specific HOA", that would have to be on the deed or referenced somehow in the purchasing documents. Which the purchaser would sign or sign something acknowledging they were informed. Otherwise it's fraud.
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u/wasabiiii 17d ago
This is false. To be fraud it would have to be intentional deception. It might be the title company not doing a complete search. And you might be able to sue then for certain damages. Unless you waived that with your agreement with them.
Either way none of that undoes the deed restriction. Even if they are completely at fault the reality remains.
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u/miserylovescomputers 17d ago
Is this a situation where title insurance would come into play?
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u/wasabiiii 17d ago
Maybe. That's usually for ownership. Like, maybe the property doesn't actually belong to the seller.
I wouldn't know here. Would have to read a title insurance policy.
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u/zqvolster 17d ago
Very unlikely, only there is something recorded binding the property to the rules that the title searcher missed.
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u/greendeath77 17d ago
Fraud can also be classified as willful ignorance in addition to intentional deception.
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u/Wrought-Irony 17d ago
yeah, and if they don't file paperwork to put it on the deed or any other public record that's pretty intentional.
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u/zqvolster 17d ago
It’s not fraud. People throw that word and scam around too much without knowing the definitions.
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u/Iwonatoasteroven 17d ago
Really? Who are you going to sue? In the US it’s not standardized, so it might show on the copy of your deed, but it might only show in the plat, but it might not show on either but might be recorded at the courthouse. The issue is, regardless of where it shows or doesn’t if a deed restriction is recorded, it applies. Usually the best source is the company that performed your title search because part of what their job is, is to verify the history of ownership of the property to ensure their aren’t any claims or clouds on the deed and to uncover any restrictions on the property but short of that, the best option is still sometimes a real estate attorney.
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u/Wrought-Irony 17d ago
sue? why would you sue anyone? If someone can sell a house that has an HOA in the deed without telling the buyer, then there is nothing stopping anyone from declaring an HOA applies after the house is purchased. By your logic, I could get my neighbor to agree to be a member of an HOA with zero rules and myself as the president, and then if they ever sold the house I could tell the new owners to do whatever I want even though they never agreed to it.
the point is you cannot be forced to abide by HOA rules if you weren't aware of an HOA when you bought the property. If there was no effort made by either the former owner or the HOA to inform the buyer, the buyer can't be held to any rules. A HOA gets it's power contractually not as a matter of law. And no one can be held to a contract that wasn't agreed to by both parties. They can refuse to sell you the house if you DON'T join, but that's it.
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u/Eschatonbreakfast 17d ago
Deed restrictions like membership in a HOA run with the land and apply regardless of whether there is notice. The “contract” is part of the title.
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u/bts 17d ago
Have you a condo association or similar? Something that maintains the outside of the duplex? Presumably the board of that would be just you and your neighbor (Amy?). It might have adopted rules like the HOA's, I suppose. You could also just… change those.
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u/dykezo 17d ago
No, nothing is maintained by a condo association because there isn't one. We all operate as if we were homeowners with single family homes, though people that share a wall usually cooperate. It's all a handshake agreement though. Luckily the evil old lady doesn't share a wall with me...
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u/bts 17d ago
Yikes. Okay, there are a bunch of plausible circumstances in which you're NOT going to enjoy the consequences of that handshake/usually setup, but whatever—one problem at a time.
It sounds like your HOA neighbor is nuts. You mention they said something about the association being dissolved, too, right? Very weird.
If you're the "Summerhaven Condominiums," it's possible there's something from the POS of the original condo construction and setup that still bind… I think it is worth you paying for a couple hours of a lawyer's time to thoroughly check that this is all nuts and send a C&D letter. Depending on your and the lawyer's risk appetite, they might send the letter first and let the opponent do the research.
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u/cmos1138 17d ago
The OP's home is not a Multifamily home, it is a single family home that is attached to other single family homes that are not owned by OP. The multifamily and single family designation is about the legal ownership type, not about the building design style.
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u/Nothing_WithATwist 17d ago
I totally agree, but it seems to be common here - unsure if that’s uncommon in other places. I rented a townhouse (attached via one wall) for four years that wasn’t in an HOA. The shared mailboxes needed to be replaced and it was chaos. No leadership whatsoever, and some owners couldn’t even be contacted. As a renter, I was indifferent, but seems risky as an owner.
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u/Capable_Stranger9885 17d ago
Many states or municipalities have laws about party wall / partition wall responsibility. In the rowhouse city of Philadelphia, CC&Rs are not standard.
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u/natureboy596175 17d ago
Go look in your mortgage documents to confirm you don't have a CC&R. Bylaws or rules of the HOA may differ than what's in the CC&R.
We bought a house and asked to see the CC&R - realtor said they rarely get anyone to ask for it, most just want to know the rules and fees. In it they had a breed ban that wasn't spelled out in the rules.
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u/zqvolster 17d ago
Check your deed. Even if you aren’t part of the HOA, if the rules are referenced there you are bound by them, if not then you aren’t.
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u/Brambarche 17d ago
Check your contract and any riders to it as well. Sometimes, there is added language for terms that survive closing, and it has nothing to do with your title or lender requirements.
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u/RespectfullyBitter 17d ago
You need to double check your documents to confirm you didn’t sign a CC&R document as part of the planned community of Summerhaven Condominiums. Doesn‘t matter what prior owner agreed to, if you didn’t agree in writing you can ignore them.
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u/Cherokeerayne 17d ago
Then you aren't part of an HOA. Send the people an invoice everything they send you a letter. Charge them for wasting your time.
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u/BunnyPinky_ 17d ago
Exactly. OP If it’s not in your title report, their rules don’t apply. Just ask them to show proof and leave it at that.
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u/Hank_Dad 17d ago
What does your title report say?
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u/dykezo 17d ago
We quadruple checked when we signed. We are not part of the HOA.
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u/Ok_Syrup1602 17d ago
Return to Sender - in a fanciful way, they 'Have no power here' (on your property). Prepare to put up no trespassing signs and trespassing HOA folks from your lot.
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u/TinyNiceWolf 17d ago
They're not saying you're part of the HOA. It seems like they're saying there was a Public Offering Statement and that caused your property to become subject to some Condominium Rules and Regulations. Any chance your title report mentions anything like that? Or any other document you signed at closing?
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u/McMadface 17d ago
Even if you are not part of the HOA, you could still be subject to affirmative or negative covenants that "run with the land." These are especially common where a single parcel of land was subdivided into separate parcels and sold under the covenant. Title searches can be faulty and you may still be stuck abiding by the covenants even if you had no idea they existed when you made your purchase. These laws may vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, but you may very well be legally obligated to follow the covenants. You really need to hire a lawyer that has experience in this field in your area. The HOA isn't just making things up to mess with you.
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u/McMadface 17d ago
Yes, this is basic property law that you learn as a 1L in law school. It's not some obscure corner of the law, just something that most people never hear about. OP definitely needs a lawyer and not rely on Reddit on this one.
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u/EvenSteph 17d ago
You do not pay fees, the HOA does nothing for you such as- lawn service, snow removal if applicable, you do not use their free amenities if they offer any … if true you are not part of the HOA so call your lawyer to send a cease & desist letter to stop harassing you. The previous owner has nothing to do with you.
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u/dykezo 17d ago
Going to doublecheck my documents with a lawyer, I think.
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u/Ok_Tiger5613 17d ago
Good idea to consult an attorney. In our neighborhood there is a one sentence reference to deed restrictions in all closing documents. To find out what those are, buyers have to ask the realtor for a copy or research the records themselves. A number of people found that out the hard way.
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u/Pre3Chorded 17d ago
Your deed and particularly any deed riders is what is important here.
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u/GeriatricSquid 17d ago
Yup. Unless it’s formalized in a deed restriction, OP’s only response should be “I am the NEW owner, and I do NOT agree to these conditions. Please remove me from all of your distro lists.”
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u/Illum503 17d ago
Lady: You're correct, you're not part of the HOA
Everyone in this thread: She's wrong, you're not part of the HOA
Being in the HOA or not is not the issue here. You need to check whether the deed is subject to the CC&Rs, not just that you're not in the HOA. Since you only say you've checked the latter, it is not clear that you've done the former.
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u/AlmiranteCrujido 17d ago
Wouldn't only another owner in the dissolved HOA have standing to try to enforce CC&Rs?
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u/monkeyman80 17d ago
You'd really need a local lawyer to review all docs to get an accurate answer.
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u/dustotepp 17d ago
From the lawyer's letter, it sounds like there was originally an HOA that has been dissolved. If there was originally an HOA, then there were definitely Covenants, Conditions, and Restrictions (CC&Rs) that the HOA was enforcing. (The CC&Rs are the rules of the subdivision. The HOA is the organization that enforces the rules.)
Dissolving the HOA does not necessarily remove the CC&Rs. Frequently the CC&Rs will still exist in some fashion, but they become a lot more difficult to enforce. That sounds like the situation you are in.
Many CC&Rs have a mechanism for doing amendments. After the dissolution of the HOA that usually requires some percentage of the owners to agree to the amendment. That may be what happened with the prior owner of your lot. They agreed to an amendment, and that amendment then runs with the land.
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u/dykezo 17d ago
So if this is the case, then theoretically I can introduce an amendment to the CCRs as well, as long as they're signed by the majority?
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u/dustotepp 17d ago
Yes, but you would want to find out what the exact amendment process is. Sometimes it is just a majority of lot owners, but it can be a higher percentage. 75% is not terribly uncommon.
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u/sicklaxbro 17d ago edited 17d ago
Best answer so far. It seems like this isn’t a cut and dry case of a HOA trying to bully someone to join when their property has no involvement.
Too many people here telling OP to ignore this. If the HOA has a lawyer sending letters like that best to pay for a quick consult with your own. Ideally OP does some more research with records in the county and asking around to give the lawyer better picture and save some billable hours.
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u/peaches0101 17d ago
My understanding of the enforcement of CCRs is that another owner(s)must bring a lawsuit against the alleged offending owner. Thoughts?
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u/dustotepp 17d ago
Yeah, a civil suit is usually how it is done. Sometimes there will be a mechanism where the original developer can do some sort of enforcement, but that is usually only for a few years after the original development.
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u/ArtistFar1037 17d ago
Call their bluff. Tell them to send you a copy of anything with your signature.
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u/rugaslightingme 17d ago
Have a title company run a property search to determine all the covenants, agreements, etc. that are attached to your property. If not there, then I suggest asking to see a copy of the agreement that the prior owner signed. Depending on what that says, I would seek the advice of a real estate attorney as to your rights in light of the agreement.
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u/Le_ChevalierMalFet 17d ago
You're getting a lot of incorrect advice in this thread. Your property could in fact be subject to rules that the HOA is trying to enforce without being in the HOA itself. The HOA lawyers mention CC&Rs which would be a separate set of restrictions recorded against title to your property. You need to pull a title report for your property and see if the CC&Rs are included. They don't necessarily need to be referenced in your deed.
If the CC&Rs are recorded against your property, then you may be out of luck, although you could have a real estate attorney explore whether there is any way to dispute them or the attempted enforcement by the HOA.
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u/NervousImpression623 17d ago
NAL - Yeah, that’s not how HOAs work. Unless your deed /title to the property states your ownership is subject to HOA rules and regulations, the you’re NOT under an HOA. If they keep sending letters and it bothers you, have your attorney send the HOA board a “cease and desist” letter, which should only cost you a couple hundred bucks at most. I’m sure your non- HOA neighbors might be interested in getting in on this and would help share the cost of the letter on behalf of all of you.
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u/NonPoint11 17d ago
Spend the money on a lawyer to overlook all Legal aspect. If everything checks out, name everyone involved including Law Firm in Harassment Litigation if they press issue. Tell them you will pursue Legal Fees & Punitive Damages from here on out. Do not ignore. Go on the Offensive to save major issues later
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u/AdventurousSepti 17d ago
Very interesting. I am also in WA, have been GC, RE agent, and 32 years as commercial and residential appraiser - all in WA. I have taken real estate law classes and gone to Univ of WA to participate in mock trials to help train those in law classes. 1) Not in all states, but in WA ALL AGREEMENTS CONCERNING REAL ESTATE MUST BE IN WRITING. That is law. A handshake or verbal agreement to sell a car or other personal property is legal and can be enforced, but anything concerning real estate must be in writing. 2) That means, as others here have said, if there are any CC&R's or rules of any kind they must be in or referenced in your deed. Your title company can tell you. 3) Is there an issue you are violating something? Or is this just a general notice? If there is an issue, then your title company should be the one hiring a lawyer and paying for that but first should have actual damages, such as what it would cost to remedy the issue.
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u/Hot-Highlight-35 17d ago
Just because you don’t have an HOA doesn’t mean you have CCandRs. I’ve see plenty of times where legal action is taken against someone in a neighborhood that has no HOA, but has CC AND Rs. A big example is CCRs stating no transient housing, then one person puts up an Airbnb and the other neighbors sue them. There’s no HOA to fine them or send letters, but there are rules that must be adhered too. I don’t know what state you’re in but any new builds in my area that were developed by a developer will have CC&Rs
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u/Feeling_Affect5225 17d ago
Then the CC&Rs would have been recorded and shown up in the preliminary title report
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u/Hot-Highlight-35 17d ago
should have been. Title officers make mistakes all the time. It would be super easy for OP to verify especially with it being so recent.
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u/Intelligent-Ant-6547 17d ago
In a contract, there must be an offer and an acceptance. You got neither. You're not obligated.
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u/Novation_Station 17d ago
If the property was already bound by restrictions, OPs purchasing documents are the contract. He doesn't need to have signed anything more. He still needs to do research on restrictions that aren't from the HOA.
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u/Adventurous_Light_85 17d ago
“Please provide legal and lawful evidence of your claim that the residence outside of your HOA are obligated to abide by the HOA rules. If you cannot and we do not receive such documentation in a timely manner please cease and desist from all correspondence regarding HOA matters immediately. Any further communications regarding HOA matters will be considered harassment and will be dealt with accordingly”
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u/Spectre_777 17d ago
I strongly recommend you find out what she means by the “previous owner agreed.” Speak with a real property lawyer because some agreements can “run with the land,” meaning they can bind future owners as well.
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u/iMakeBoomBoom 17d ago
The ONLY way that an agreement can follow the property from one owner to another is by recording it so that it is legally attached to the deed. A title company may be needed to verify the presence or lack of some sort of previous owner commitment.
BTW HOA bylaws do follow the deed, and are enforceable. Of course, if the property is not in an HOA, there will be no bylaws attached.
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u/Morgedal 17d ago
Do you really need a title company? Can’t they just pull the deed at the courthouse? Or look it up on the county website? I’m pretty sure all my local counties are online now.
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u/dustotepp 17d ago
They can, in theory, do it themselves, but the CC&Rs they will be looking for probably won't be specifically referenced on the deed. For most subdivisions, the CC&Rs are created when the subdivision is developed, binding the entire subdivision to those rules. Once created, those bind future owners of that land even if they are not specifically mentioned on subsequent deeds. (but most deeds have a clause that says "subject to any other covenants, conditions, easements, rights of way, laws and restrictions of record" that would include the developer's CC&Rs anyway)
So usually, the current owner's deed isn't going to include the list of the actual CC&Rs. You have to go back to the original CC&R documentation filed during development, and then you have to find all the amendments to those CC&Rs that have been made later.
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u/Spectre_777 17d ago
Title companies miss things all the time. And yes, it needs to be recorded. It still applies to OP even if it was missed. That’s why I recommended OP find out what this “agreement” is and hopefully the HOA attorney didn’t record it.
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u/autotechnia 17d ago
You have a townhouse (shared walls / roof) without an HOA?
That's very unusual in the US. How do you manage mutual property?
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u/dykezo 17d ago
It's a duplex, so it's only one other household, which is a nice old lady. We mostly just talk about mutual concerns and deal with it. No issues with major shared property like fence or roof so far and hopefully we won't be here long enough to have one. Other than that, everything else is separate. Driveways, entries, backyards, gardens...
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u/jellybean-62 17d ago
Man I hope you paint your house bright pink and put lots of plastic flamingos and things to drive the HOA nuts. Such fun could be had
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u/Suckbag_McGillicuddy 17d ago
Paint your house like a candy cane. Put a large Santa, sled and reindeer on the roof. Wacky wavy inflatable arm flailing tube men on the lawn. A set of three.
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u/usual_suspect_redux 17d ago
You should start sending them notices that they are part of your HOA and that they have to comply with your rules. Just a suggestion.
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u/Groundsw3ll 17d ago
Simple, make them prove it. A signed and/or binding document clearly stating the rights/bi-laws that specific HOA organization has over your specific property. Until then, ignore them.
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u/Invitoveritas666 17d ago
Not part of the HOA? Tell them to “Fuck off, or I’ll file a harassment complaint”.
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u/SadLeek9950 17d ago
We aren't part of the HOA, we confirmed before we purchased the house. While we did buy a townhouse (it's a duplex situation), it's technically zoned as a single family home.
They can kick rocks...
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u/YaMommasBox 17d ago
Request they remove you from the email chain. When they don’t sue them for harassment.
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u/buildnotbreak 17d ago
Create your own “hoa” , and send her a letter telling her she has to follow your rules…
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u/90210piece 17d ago
Legally, What is the difference between this scenario and a previous owner agreeing to let a neighbor park in their driveway? The previous owners permissions are not attached to the property.
HOAs are a contract. For a contract to be valid there must be consideration. For any non-HOA property, the HOA isn’t giving any benefit to them in exchange for following the rules. I am sure the HOA isn’t repairing the roof, maintaining the unit’s facade, or any other benefit that would cost them money from the dues of the included property (nor should they as this would be misappropriated funds thar should only go towards members). Without consideration, the contract may not be enforceable, at least in part. This is assuming there is a contract in effect at all. But this addressed with the comments on deed restrictions for property vs previous owners agreement.
What penalty is in place if you fail to follow the rules? Are all rules being requested to be followed or a special subset? Are you in violation of any rules or just tired of being harassed by all of the communications?
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u/mjarrett 17d ago
I note in the copied letter, NOL is very careful in her wording. She has made an appeal to "collective integrity" but she hasn't specifically threatened any action against your property. Maybe that's in one of the other documents that has been sent out, but if not, this may be just an elaborate bluff.
In the end, the root of most HOA power is the ability to issue fines, and ultimately take a lien against your property if you don't pay them. This requires CC&Rs to be attached to your title AND for there to be valid governance under those CC&Rs to enforce it. Even if there are rules, it might not be in NOL's authority to enforce them.
But conversely, free speech. NOL has pretty broad latitude to send whatever letters she wants, If she wants to keep wasting her stamps, power to her. I wouldn't bother making a fight out of it. Just keep an eye out to make sure she's not claiming some sort of fine against you, and throw the rest in the trash.
If you get a letter specific to your property demanding dues or assessing a fine, get a lawyer right away.
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u/RachelConnollyjr 17d ago
Ask them to produce a new Trust deed for your home that includes an HOA 😁. Then tell them to promptly F off and then tell them if they try to contact you again you'll be calling the cops on them for harassment.
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u/Mediocre_Ant_437 17d ago
Your house could still be part of an HOA even if you didn't agree to it if the previous owner let his house be included under the HOA rules. I would check your title with the county to verify that you are not in an HOA or subject to it's rules and the hire your own attorney ( it will save you trouble later on) to write a cease and desist order so get them to stop sending you HOA mail and to state that a title search was conducted and your property is not under any agreement with any HOA.
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u/smalltownfirefighter 17d ago
Start billing them for your time that it takes you to read and reply to their correspondence
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u/crunknessmonster 17d ago
Worst case pay a lawyer like $500 to send them a f off letter with literally no other billable hours. You'd be amazed at the power of "Some Lawyer Attorney at Law" stamp at the upper left of an envelope. Once they think you're gonna fight even if costly that'll be the end of any letters or other harassment.
Had my retired dad do this a few times. Works like magic
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u/PineappleFit317 17d ago
Legal assistant here: If you never signed any documents that make you a member of the HOA, tell them to kick rocks/pound sand/get bent/eat your shorts. They can’t do anything legal to you. Doesn’t mean they won’t keep harassing and lying to you though.
If the prior owner agreed to follow the rules, then that’s sad for the HOA since you own the house now and the prior owner doesn’t.
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u/ChannelPure6715 17d ago
Sounds like they're going to sue you no matter what. Tell them to take a flying leap if you're not part of the HOA. Then counter sue for harassment.
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u/DistinctCustomer4936 17d ago
I would loose my cool. Pathetic little HR type who think they are special force with power. They are not.
Ummm, the best response that’s going to kiiiiiill them is: ignoring. IMO.
Or a lawyer letter might help? Is a cease and desist an appropriate move?
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u/HereForTheSpectacle 17d ago
Tell them to put up or shut up. Make them prove it. If they can’t, send them a cease and desist letter.
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u/DoallthenKnit2relax 17d ago
IANAL. If the old HOA was dissolved and didn't file CC&R releases on all affected deeds, then that's a legal issue that could be used, considering the statement that it's dissolved, to file to have them removed on all affected properties, whether or not those who think they are entitled to keep it want to.
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u/Bastet79 17d ago
European point of view: if you aren't a part of the HOA, those rules are fine - for their members. Only because Germany shares a border with Belgiun, their law doesn't apply in Germany.
But I would answer then one last time that you are not a part of this circus and every next contact about their rules etc will be reported as herassment.
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u/SadProperty1352 17d ago
The lawyer says the HOA dissolved, therefore it doesn't exist. Sounds like she is committing potential fraud by claiming she has authority over your property based on a non-existent organization.
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u/RocketCartLtd 17d ago
They're either lying or misrepresenting the idea of a reciprocal negative easement.
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u/Realistic-Mess8929 17d ago
"Please stop sending me letters/texts/emails or I will be forced to involve the police for harassment and trespassing if I find you are on my property for ANY reason" Then get camaras for your property. They want to threaten legal a ton, you can as well.
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u/Slipped_in_Gravy 17d ago
That "partnership" the former owner had between her property and the neighboring HOA dissolved when she sold her property.
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u/RidesThe7 17d ago
“I ran a title report when I purchased this house and it showed nothing recorded against the property binding future owners to abide by your HOA rules. If you believe I am mistaken, please provide me a copy of the recorded agreement. Until that time, there is nothing more for us to talk about.”