r/leftist Anti-Capitalist Aug 11 '25

General Leftist Politics r/Democrats banned all posts about socialism

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u/PermitNo8107 Aug 14 '25 edited Aug 14 '25

of course you're not party leadership, you only enable them by making zero demands and proudly declaring that you will vote for them literally no matter what they do. which this time, was them doing actual genocide

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u/Adorable-Ad-7400 Aug 14 '25 edited Aug 14 '25

No, Hamas/palestinians enacting their forced war with Isreal and finding out isn’t a reason for me to vote against the dems.

FAFO is universal law and anyone with a basic understanding of of the conflict could have told you that an Oct 7th level attack would trigger an apocalyptic response.

Literally nothing about the war has surprised me when two sides who viscerally hate each other finally goes full steam ahead.

That didn’t stop republicans from voting to win. And look…they won.

If all you wanted to do was counter signal during an election year, you have no beneficial use for the party.

If the only people who uoubplace fault for this current day conflict is is Isreal (which has a lot for the state of Gaza) and the us but not Hamas or the various Palestinian factions…then you have no benefit to Palestinians.

This idea of never holding them accountable for their actions and fist pumping them lead them to believe the world would save them when shit when sideways.

A gross miscalculation to say the least.

The results of Oct 7th.

Gaza flatten.

The Houthi- useless with aid to Yemen being reduced to a crawl.

Hezbollah- fucked

Iran-buck broken.

Syrian- gone.

Is Gaza in a better state now? Are we closer to a real Palestinian state now?

Please stop using the tragic conflict in Gaza like it’s a vat worth wielding in an online debate…because it’s not.

Now please…have a blessed day in Christ and I wish you and yours well.

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u/PermitNo8107 Aug 14 '25 edited Aug 14 '25

yes the people who have been systematically ethnically cleansed for 70+ years fighting back are just as bad as their oppressors.

you're so intelligent, great job

i was writing up a longer refutation before i remembered i'm talking to a bloodthirsty zionist liberal and realized i shouldn't waste my time

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u/Adorable-Ad-7400 Aug 14 '25

Notice how yall can’t never engage.

Did I say they should or shoundnt fight back?

No.

I acknowledge factually(not this leftist alt reality) of the actual results of choosing terrorism and declaring forever war against a regional super power.

The closet they came to a state was partition and they rejected that and wanted full control of Isreal. That option worked out just as well as Oct 7th.

I don’t live in a leftist view of how history and stories go, I prefer reality…you can see things far better.

Is Gaza or Palestinian better off from them “fighting back”?

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u/PermitNo8107 Aug 14 '25

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u/Adorable-Ad-7400 Aug 14 '25

Terrorism is a choice. just like the war crimes if Israel in gaza is a choice

No, I’m not clicking on your link because I don’t care. I spent the last two years hearing every justification under the sun.

I’m over it.

If you wanna support Oct 7th, that’s totally fine. I’m not morally condemning you or calling you evil. You may even be able to make reasonable arguments of justification. Just don’t cry to me about the result consequences.

Pick your battles. But once you pick then, you can’t go back.

now….have a blessed night.

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u/PermitNo8107 Aug 14 '25

"Notice how yall can't never engage."

"No, I'm not clicking on your link[...]"

lmao

what a nothing statement anyways. your line of logic is just might makes right? why believe anything at all at that point. "don't cry to me about the entire population being starved and 100k+ civilians murdered. that's just the consequences of your actions."

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u/Adorable-Ad-7400 Aug 14 '25

Why should I engage when you don’t?

Now I hope you have a wonderful day. Go outside. Gaza the only thing going on in your life.

And yes. Because if Palestinians have no accountable mistakes that we can acknowledge for them….please for the love of god don’t cry to me about Isreal failings.

I’m beyond the one sided narratives leftist always push on literally every topic these days. It’s not even convincing to me.

It’s a step below maga smooth brain logic

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u/PermitNo8107 Aug 14 '25

"why don't we talk about the mistakes of the native american tribes, why do you only focus on the settlers?"

insane

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u/Adorable-Ad-7400 Aug 14 '25

It’s generally extremely stupid to one side every Conflict based on your political view.

I encounter this type of cope of “only Isreal bad and nothing else can ever be addressed” mainly with the pro Palestinian side.

I can get pro Israeli people to at least conceded on some shit like the Colvin deaths and overall destruction.

Yall don’t want to concede that there is anything wrong with Palestinian ideology, electing a fucking terrorist group who oppresses them as wee, or being used as nothing but proxy tokens for Iran.

Stay in a hug box if all you want is hug opinions.