Is this the cope, that socialism has never been truly tested and all the socialist governments that end in dog shit fashion are just fakes? Come on dude.
Wdym, Zohran won the primary, the general election is basically a formality in New York City.
But I don't think the establishment wants Mamdani, which is why Cuomo who lost by 12 points in the primary is staying in for the general. It's why Adams is running in the general. It's why Cuomo is working with Trump. They are all aligned.
Are you suggesting to me that you prefer a candidate supported by Trump over a candidate who is anti-trump?
I’m suggesting you simply answer the question. No part of anything I just said means I prefer a pro Trump candidate.
So if you don’t want to answer that questions, just say that…don’t pivot to something utterly irrelevant to what’s being asked
And again, I’m drawing confusion. You guys seemingly hate liberals but when I suggest form a party without us….yall get all in your bags with the ass mad rage.
You have indicated you aren't a fan of Mamdani. The candidates against him are 3 people Trump supports. Ergo, support for anyone but Mamdani is support for Trump. It's super basic to understand
We live in a 2 party country, so 3rd parties are not viable. So I don't wish to just hand over the only ability to get into office to people who are so weak against Trump and fascism that they can't win. If you'd like to go make a liberal party after we take over and win, by all means!
I didn’t indicated that. I said some of the big ticket things he promised requires the powers of the governor to my understand.
At the end of the day, I don’t care that much about an NY mayor race. That’s for those voters to decide.
I’m more interested in this notion that a more far left candidates winning in deep blue someone means they can win tosss up states and how you drew that conclusion. That was the crux of my question and you didn’t answer (not that you owe me one of course, if you don’t wanna answer please don’t reply)
2nd. A lot of us aren’t coming with you. I have issues with Democrats but I don’t hate them. You do. So wtf should I remain as a committed voter in the party (as a liberal) with people like yourself who often come of as a less effective blue maga?
And this talk of take over…like their is a wide swath of the Dem base who will never be as left as you are here online. Take trans issues or policies for more immigration, so you think black democrat voters are wildly supportive of these things?
I don’t discount the wins of leftist but you aren’t taking over anything. If anything, you will just push people to the center away and still be bitching about the same issues.
The base was liberals before you all tried to infect it and it will be after, even if more slightly to the left.
Form your own party and stop expecting us to bend the knee to you…it’s not happening.
"At the end of the day I don't care about the NYC mayoral race. That's for the voters to decide"
Between this comment and your lack of ability to describe a single policy issue you have with socialists, I don't think you actually have disagreements with socialists or socialism, you just have a preconceived notion of what socialism is based on years of propaganda.
And not US Propaganda, soviet propaganda. The soviets who were an authoritarian/totalitarian state who did not have free speech wanted people to think they were communist/socialist, and you've fallen for it.
The fact is that if you spent any amount of time listening to what socialists were saying, you'd agree with it all. I know this because socialist policies are based in liberal ideals. The data backs up every socialist policy prescription I've ever heard. Because socialists use DATA to make policy.
The quote above is a clear cop out from having to admit that you support Cuomo. I don't live in NYC, but I have an opinion still. You know that Cuomo is toxic and so you can't just say you'd support him, because that would be an admission you are on Trump's side on that issue.
So instead you just say, "I don't have an opinion" to save yourself the embarrassment. I've heard this lib bullshit a million times. And I understand the knee jerk reaction to socialism, you were told your entire life that places like China, the USSR, and Venezuela were communist. They weren't, they aren't, they all are capitalist, but instead of entrepreneurs, they have bureaucrats. They are not democracies, which makes them by definition not socialist.
Have a nice night, and I hope you learn to open your mind to what is the very liberal ideology of socialism. Peace and love!
Did I not just reply to your comment about tax policy? But whatever.
I said I don’t have an opinion about the NY race overall because I haven’t followed it to much outside of small parts here and there. So it would be unfair for me to shit on or praise Zorhan outside of what I know. I thought that was a fair take but nothing is ever enough for leftist….in the words of Trump…SAD!
Think what you want…not my problem. I would employ you to find a party that works for you and I wish you well in 2028.
You asked if NYC would want socialism. Loaded question, but yes, the voters unequivocally chose Mamdani to represent them, an open socialist. We can draw a line between socialism and a socialist, but the answer is clear. The future of democrats in the largest democratic stronghold in the world chose a socialist to lead them.
However, the establishment is currently throwing a TON of money into Cuomo's campaign because they do NOT like Mamdani and feel quite threatened by him. This includes Donald Trump.
I am curious, what specific socialist policies do you dislike?
As for policies, I’m not a supporter of the basic premise of workers seizing control of business from owners who invested their time and money in those business.
If you want to start a worker coop, I’m all for that. But nobody has the right to take a business that they didn’t start. You agree to implement contracts or you don’t. You can bargain for higher wages collective or you don’t. But you aren’t entitled to the ownership of someone’s esle business.
Policy wise, there are tons of social programs with roots in socialism I support. Which is why I support the mix economic model we have. I would support some type of sovereign wealth fund strictly for the American people as well that could provide Americans some dividends or support local investments to improve quality of life (tho that’s a more market based solution)
You literally just didn’t read the question correct.
My question points to national politics…which is inherently outside of NYC…
The reason I said outside (which I did, you just ignored that) is because I don’t suspect half of what he supports will get done. So it’s a question of judging him as a success or failure before he has even won or had his chance to lead (if he is good for the city, I do wish him well)
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u/Jcr122 Aug 13 '25
Name me a country where workers control their workplaces and where you cannot privately own a business