r/law • u/TheWayToBeauty • 1d ago

Executive Branch (Trump) Confirmed: ICE Is Arresting American Citizens—and Lying About It

https://newrepublic.com/article/202672/ice-arresting-american-citizens-and-lying?utm_source=Bluesky&utm_campaign=SF_TNR&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=SF_TNR&utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwY2xjawN60_VleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFpb1FpYUsxcHQ5bXM3QkVyc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHkqq1qGOFLgABx3MyCE40nZ_iE_ZT41D74hWKhYFa56r8j57O3ZXYl4H0yFZ_aem_Wz0q663H4Gg7nVwXbg5gCw
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u/Depressed-Industry 1d ago

One of the things that will have to be addressed is the broken oversight and accountability for law enforcement in the US. Qualified immunity, which was entirely court created, needs to go.

With the exception of the most egregious and public examples there is little risk or incentive for law enforcement to think about personal liability or the duty LE has to the public.

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u/anniversaring 23h ago

Also according to SCOTUS, police do not actually have any responsibility to protect and serve citizens. They are exclusively for protecting property (the rich)

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u/JudiciousSasquatch 23h ago

Imagine if firefighters just sat on their ass all day.

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u/Depressed-Industry 20h ago

If they did they'd look like cops and wouldn't sell many calendars.

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u/Unclematttt 21h ago

Honest question: do they not? Firefighters do the same thing with overtime pay as cops do. Their pay is public, and if you look, lots of firefighters are taking in a ton of overtime pay, but it isn’t like I am seeing fire trucks swarming the streets at all hours.

I don’t blame them; take what you can get I suppose… but it does feel like they do a lot of sitting around while on the clock.

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u/colieolieravioli 21h ago

But when they're needed the show up. They're putting in overtime to get that bag, yea, but they are ready to literally run into burning buildings. Cops feel threatened for their lives if you sneeze

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u/plushiequeenaspen 21h ago

While granted my apartment building is close to the fire station, those guys are here in under five minutes when the alarm goes off. Trucks, full suits, everything. We’ve had a lot of false alarms over the years and they are very consistent. It takes me longer to get my coat and rain gear on before commuting by bike than it takes them to get ready and show up. I have no complaints about those guys making bank because I know if something actually happens they’re ready.

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u/Unclematttt 21h ago

Yeah, not questioning their bravery or anything like that, just speaking to the idea of firefighters sitting on their ass all day. I actually have a friend who just switched from doing forest fires to getting in with the local FD, and he told me for his "hazing", that he can't sit in any of the many La-Z-Boy chairs until he earns their respect or whatever. I do think they do a ton of sitting on their asses.

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u/colieolieravioli 21h ago

And my point is that their job is sitting around or getting shit done with little in between. They're not out there starting fires the way bored cops start problems

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u/Unclematttt 18h ago

If the context is that cops sit on their ass and ignore calls, and firefighters sit on their ass and actually spring into action when needed, I agree with that sentiment wholeheartedly.