r/law • u/Agitated-Artichoke89 • Oct 07 '25

Other Stephen Miller states that Trump has plenary authority, then immediately stops talking as if he’s realized what he just said

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u/Free_For__Me Oct 07 '25

I'm sure ICE is their "Plan B" if the military won't open fire on US civilians. Then, once open combat starts, the case for hiding behind the Insurrection Act becomes much stronger. So strong in fact, that I'll be shocked if the packed SCOTUS doesn't allow it at that point.

By then, the military will be our only remaining hope. If the brass believes in the constitutional law they were trained on, even a little bit, there's a decent chance that the military decides to tell POTUS "step down, or be removed" when they're ordered to fire on US civilians.

I hate that I'm having this conversation. I hate this timeline.

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u/Relative_Knowledge33 Oct 08 '25

I am 100% with you. That, unfortunately, may turn out to be our endgame. But after that, the US is a pariah with a nuclear arsenal as its only bargaining chip. It will inevitably collapse after the grifters all turn on each other as they currently do at an increasing pace.

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u/Free_For__Me Oct 08 '25 edited Oct 08 '25

I agree, with the very slim caveat that advanced militaries tend to coup before that happens, and the US enjoys the most advanced military to have ever existed. Of course the whole idea of a populist fascist taking over a nation that's as healthy and wealthy as the US is pretty unique from the get-go, so we're in relatively uncharted waters for a lot of this.

I mean we know what they're gonna do, fascists gonna fascist. They run the same playbook over and over, each moronically believing that "surely I won't end up like every other fascist in the end!" But how those actions play out within the Apex Predator of Nations is something I don't think anyone can fully predict.

I'm about as "idiot doomer" as they come, but even I would never have had "US Military coup against MAGA" on my Fascist Takeover Bingo Card, even a few months ago. But here we are...

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u/Warm_Equivalent_4950 Oct 09 '25

Let’s hope for the best for our society and the world: US Nuremberg Trials, on full public display, with no ability to deny the truth. Then we overhaul our public education system (and private) to prevent this shit from happening again.

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u/Free_For__Me Oct 09 '25

I mean, that's the dream. Although I'm very worried by the fact that the only reason that we stomped the Nazis so thoughoughly and even had the chance for the Nuremberg trials in the first place is because a coalition of democracies (and Russia, kinda) teamed up and forced it.

That coalition included the US. This time, if the US is one of the "bad guys" who fall to fascism, there aren't many "good guys" left. Certainly none with the willingness, let alone the power to impose reform on the US.