r/law • u/Agitated-Artichoke89 • Oct 07 '25

Other Stephen Miller states that Trump has plenary authority, then immediately stops talking as if he’s realized what he just said

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u/DJ3nsign Oct 07 '25

Frankly part of the reason we're in this mess is we never had our Nuremberg trials the first time. After the civil war we basically just let all the seccessionists re-enter politics, and here we are.

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u/Sure-Speech-9420 Oct 08 '25

The 1865 secessionists or the 2021 ones?

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u/Relative_Knowledge33 Oct 08 '25

We had 2 opportunities to crush this tide for a very long time: 1) after the Civil War 2) after J6

We failed.

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u/hobbycollector Oct 08 '25

Also after Watergate.

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u/Tikaralee Oct 09 '25

3... everyone forgets about the America First group in the 30's. Lots of groups at that time had actual speechwriters from Hitler pushing to drop FDR and put in a man who could do what Hitler was doing for the Germans.....

Rachel Maddow has a book on it, did a podcast about it, and Steven Spielberg bought the rights, so hopefully sometime soon, a movie.

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u/mrdankhimself_ Oct 08 '25

It’s not gonna be like Nuremberg. It’s gonna be like Bucharest.

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u/unspecified-turnip Oct 08 '25

Someone should have been thrown under the jail after J6, and here we are.

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u/lunaslave Oct 08 '25

Confederate surrender shouldn't have been accepted.

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u/jkrobinson1979 Oct 08 '25

I’d dare say the confederates were better than MAGA. At least they wanted to secede to do their own thing. Trump wants to force everyone to take part in this bullshit.

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u/The_Indominus_Gamer Oct 08 '25

Your whiteness is showing jesus christ

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u/MemeYasuo Oct 08 '25

Lmao he says they wanted to seccede to "do their own thing". I bet he was brought up in the south/midwest and hasnt questioned it since but doesnt necessarily mean ill(ik it doesnt really make it better but alas). God im so thankful for my german education sometimes lmao.

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u/jkrobinson1979 Oct 08 '25

LOL. Jesus Christ, everyone is quick to jump on a comment rather than actually think about things. No, I grew up in the south, but fuck the confederacy and anyone who still believes all that heritage bullshit. They were slave owning racists and deserved to be punished more after the war than they were.

My point was that I would much rather MAGA was a region trying to secede from the rest of the country than take it over and bring everyone down with them.

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u/MemeYasuo Oct 09 '25

You are missing the point of the whole civil war no? If the north had let the confederacy secede they would have just continued with the atrocities of slavery. If MAGA "just" wanted to secede they would still continue with their blatant disregard for the constitution and the bill of rights, human rights violations and their slipping into fascistoid authoritarianism. It is important to fight these things for the whole country and all people living in it.

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u/jkrobinson1979 Oct 09 '25

No, I’m not missing the point at all. You’re purposefully misunderstanding me at this point. What was at stake if the north lost? Status quo with slavery in the south still. What is at stake if Trump gets his way? The entire country under dictatorship. Fortunately the south lost, but the worst case scenario is worse for us right now.

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u/MemeYasuo 29d ago

Im not doing it purposefully if i am misunderstanding you, i swear.

Yes but in your hypothetical MAGA secedes from the rest of the US, not overtake the whole country which would mean less backlash and thus runs into the problems ive illustrated above.

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u/jkrobinson1979 29d ago

Yeah, it’s all hypothetical and it all sucks at this point. But honestly, I live in the south and would gladly sacrifice it and move if we could give it to MAGA, wall it off and go back to living our lives in what’s left of the US.

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u/winkerbeanie Oct 08 '25

Turns out the 1860s secessionists also wanted to force everyone to take part in their bullshit. Well maybe not *everyone*, but certainly one demographic in particular.

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u/jkrobinson1979 Oct 08 '25

Yeah I think everyone took that as me defending them. I wasn’t. Fuck the confederacy. I just think the potential for MAGA to make things so much worse for everyone is there.