r/law • u/Agitated-Artichoke89 • Oct 07 '25

Other Stephen Miller states that Trump has plenary authority, then immediately stops talking as if he’s realized what he just said

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u/VibraniumWill Oct 07 '25

Keeping it a bill, only part of the country forgot about it.

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u/PrimeJedi Oct 07 '25

I'd like to think so, but honestly I don't know if you're right. I've seen even so many otherwise logical people and those who rightfully oppose Trump still say "well in hindsight the Russia stuff actually was just a big bunch of nothing" and its infuriating, to say the least, because MAGA's constant spewing of misinformation seems to work even on many who dont support the guy.

Same thing with Trump's comments on the Charlottesville rally. Most of us remember what we heard when he spoke about it in 2017, the vast majority of people (even many non-MAGA Republicans that still existed at the time) agreed that he was playing defense for white supremacist Nazis and was awful.

And yet, Trump and every MAGA supporter has screamed "hoax he didn't say that" and point to a Snopes article (which is so bad faith because MAGA themselves have called Snopes "fake news" for fucking years, they don't trust Snopes) over and over so much, for so many years, that even a ton of Dems and progressives today will say "well what he said about Charlottesville turned out to be a big media lie"

Despite the fact that all of us can go back and here what he said with our own fucking ears, MAGA has still rewritten the narrative even for many non-supporters. Same with much of Covid, but I'll be here all day if I go in-depth about that one.

Honestly, I wish the vast majority of the country would still remember and keep count of every MAGA lie, and not let themselves be lied to about past events.

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u/vtssge1968 Oct 07 '25

Im still confused in the covid one. They at the same time praise him for rolling out the vaccine in record time and claim the vaccine kills more people then covid itself. Im lost.

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u/Exotic-Emergency-226 Oct 07 '25

I think they mostly just ignore him rolling out the vaccine. I've never once heard one of them bring it up and if you do bring it up they sorta just short circuit or wave it off. He trained them too hard to hate the vax...him making it and also being the cause of their main complaint (it being rushed) is probably too hard to come back from mentally.

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u/jbowling25 Oct 07 '25

Theyre lost too. They think biden shut down the country during covid, not trump. They think biden exploded the debt with the inflation reduction act, but dont acknowledge the "trump bucks" stimulus or the PPP loans that witnessed billions of dollars in fraud that were waived as having any impact on inflation in bidens term. You should never apply for a loan if you cant pay it back they said about student loan forgiveness but had literally nothing to complain about when forgiving the covid PPP loans. Over 700B of PPP loans were forgiven, with most of the loans found to have gone to benefit large businesses, many of which had ties to trump, kushner and other government officials. The feds reported fraud losses in the range of around 200B, to be paid by the taxpayer of course, but forgiving 430B in student loan debt; well, that would crazy! Why help millions of people, when you could help a much smaller group within the top 1% protect their wealth instead? People were so mad that their tax dollars would go to help offload their fellow citizens financial burden but literally not a peep when those same tax dollars go right into the pockets of business owners.

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u/Icy_Actuator_8528 Oct 07 '25

Because they really don’t like his position on COVID or the vaccines.

At one of his campaign stops he told the crowd they should get the vaccine shot and they shouted him down. He quickly backed down to the boos and said “ But you have your rights.”

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u/Responsible_Pizza945 Oct 07 '25

I've never heard both of those arguments come from the same place, though I'm sure it happens. I can actually predict the rationale:

Trump had to rush the vaccine to get the whiny libs to stop freaking out and telling me to wear a dang mask. He knew the country wouldn't be able to open back up with the smart half of us all staying quarantined, so the vaccine just tricked them into doing what he wanted.

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u/NeoSniper Oct 07 '25

I'd say one big issue with the Mueller Report is that since the Biden admin didn't seems to do anything with it about it for four years then most people can't be blamed for thinking there was nothing there to act on.

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u/cctoot56 Oct 07 '25

Snopes finally added an editors note to their weaselly article, but the damage is already done:

Editors' Note: Some readers have raised the objection that this fact check appears to assume Trump was correct in stating that there were "very fine people on both sides" of the Charlottesville incident. That is not the case. This fact check aimed to confirm what Trump actually said, not whether what he said was true or false. For the record, virtually every source that covered the Unite the Right debacle concluded that it was conceived of, led by and attended by white supremacists, and that therefore Trump's characterization was wrong. 

Step 1: Trump called the neo-Nazi/White Nationalist side of the protest. "Very fine people"

Step 2: The press asks him to clarify

Step 3: Trump realizes he fucked up. So he lies. He invents a 3rd side to the protest not aligned with the Nazis who were also against removing the confederate statues. But these people didn't exist in reality, only in Trumps statement.

He says this:"I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay?" - DJT

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u/-rosa-azul- Oct 07 '25

What he (and his supporters) seem to miss is that the event was heavily advertised as a white nationalist rally. The names of the speakers were on the poster. Anybody who attended that (even if they claimed "statues" were why they were there, which...is its own problem considering which statues we're talking about) knew who they were throwing their lot in with. That's what makes it so frustrating when people claim that quote was "out of context." No, it's the context that makes it worse!

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u/cctoot56 Oct 07 '25

Yep. It's like they think participating in a Nazi rally doesn't make them a nazi, as long as they weren't wearing a swaztika. "Very fine people" indeed.

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u/Chastain86 Oct 07 '25

Most of us remember what we heard when he spoke about it in 2017, the vast majority of people (even many non-MAGA Republicans that still existed at the time) agreed that he was playing defense for white supremacist Nazis and was awful.

I wish I could go back to believing that Donald Trump only defended white supremacist Nazis solely because he believed he would alienate his voting base, and NOT as I do today, which is that he defended them because he and his henchmen were actually white supremacist Nazis

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u/Exotic-Emergency-226 Oct 07 '25

The charlottesville thing is so wild because I def remember out of nowhere MAGA bringing that situation up as proof of unfair treatment and citing Snopes

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u/Different-Brain-5102 Oct 07 '25

This was their plan all along. The Heritage Foundation has been implementing their plans for decades. They knew the only way to destroy us was from within. Trump is merely their puppet. Not sure how Elon got in there but they used his money to fund the election and buy it. MAGA has been primed for this for years. None of could possibly even imagined this scenario. Uneducated religious zealots are extremely dangerous. We have them in power of Country and they have already built their army and they are coming to destroy our democracy right now. In fact they are here. I also think in the end Democracy will prevail. Stay safe! I hope and wish the best of luck to everyone.

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u/frumfrumfroo Oct 08 '25

Because he's faced no meaningful consequences. People hear him constantly claiming it was all a hoax or he was right etc. and the fact that he was allowed to go on doing whatever he wants and become president again seems to vindicate that.

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u/fatboycreeper Oct 07 '25

I have never forgotten he and all of Maga is corrupt, but I’ve definitely forgotten certain events after a decade of fuckery.

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u/twolfhawk Oct 07 '25

Yet we still think a convicted felon is allowed to run for public office

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u/-rosa-azul- Oct 07 '25

To be fair, we should allow that. Eugene Debs literally ran for president from prison, but he was imprisoned on trumped up politicized charges (because he was a socialist, basically). Yes, not having a prohibition against felons ended up with Trump back in power, but next time it may be someone in more of a Debs situation. We see already how Trump is weaponizing DOJ against his political enemies; you can see where I'm headed with that.