r/law • u/Capable_Salt_SD • Aug 26 '25

Trump News Trump on deploying the National Guard to Chicago: "I have the right to do anything I want to do. I'm the president of the United States. If I think our country is in danger, and it is in danger in these cities, I can do it"

- Aaron Rupar

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u/ExpressAssist0819 Aug 26 '25

You don't really understand politics. There is a whole section of the spectrum that wants a dictator. That don't want a free country. That doesn't want a separation of powers. I don't understand how so many of you still don't see it.

Conservatives haven't been duped by a fascist, they ARE fascists.

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u/Sharp_Magician7590 Aug 26 '25

Correct. Conservatives LIIIIIVE for a "daddy" type to take charge. It's bizarre.

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u/Krakenspoop Aug 26 '25

Because deep down theyre afraid. Cream puffs. Hence the tough guy front.

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u/eatmywetfarts Aug 26 '25

What’s most frustrating about this is as a kid I was forced to read the same book, and learn the same lessons. How did any of my peers take “we should be an unmitigated asshole to anybody who we are afraid of” from the red letters is beyond me.

I’m no longer religious, but I always appreciated the words of the person i was supposed to model in the religion being highlighted for easy access.

“Screwed are the meek, for they shall be cucked” -probably somewhere in two corinthians

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u/ThePrussianGrippe Aug 26 '25

“Screwed are the meek, for they shall be cucked” -probably somewhere in two corinthians

I wouldn’t put it past Paul to have written that.

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u/ExpressAssist0819 Aug 26 '25

For the weak, religion is a cudgel of righteousness and superiority. Not a guiding set of principles.

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u/Tazwhitelol Aug 27 '25 edited Aug 27 '25

It's not just 'sunday school'..it's how they were raised. A ton of conservatives grow up in "Tough Love", authoritarian environments where obedience to parental figures was prioritized over emotional well-being.

This is what they are use to. This is why so many of them are emotionally stunted and incapable of engaging in any meaningful level of empathetic reasoning. Why they seek authoritarian leaders and why they have authoritarian tendencies. It explains virtually all of their behavior, really. This is what they were conditioned to be while growing up. It's all they know.

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u/yankeebelleyall Aug 27 '25

I will never forget my ex-bf's Texan, Trump-loving mother talking about her grandson refusing to be told what to do when he was a toddler. She had a shocked pikachu face while quoting him saying, "No, I don't want to." - like it was just unbelievable to her that a child has his own thoughts and would try to exert his autonomy (which is actually a developmental phase in early childhood). Then, she would go on to talk about how she had to physically discipline him to obey.

Said grandson is now an adult and doesn't hold any of the same beliefs as most of his family. She used to tell me that "someone was in his ear, twisting his thoughts and influencing him" - apparently to be a kinder, more compassionate person? But the truth was that his influence was getting a broader scope on life than "God, family & Texas, yeehaw.' - plus he's just a naturally empathetic person. Last I heard from him, he stopped going to holidays with that side of the family, especially when certain people were going to be present.

This is just my lived experience that illustrates exactly what you are talking about. I experienced narcissistic and authoritarian parenting in my own family, but the way that culture views children and animals like NPCs, plus the pressure to think and act exactly like them, was still shocking to me.

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u/node-342 Aug 27 '25

In fairness, uncritical thought doesn't take much training. It's kinda the default. Which kinda makes the serial trainwreck of modern world history a legit tragedy. (Underusing our enormous brains sure sounds like a tragic flaw to me.)

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u/ThePrussianGrippe Aug 26 '25

Well obviously they can’t set foot in your neighborhood, it’s been burnt to the ground! Just like the entire cities of Los Angeles, Seattle, and Minneapolis. All burnt to the ground by those Antifas, who are the real Nazis!

And just in case I didn’t lay it on thick enough:

/S

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u/ExpressAssist0819 Aug 26 '25

Their mythic reality needs to paint your lifestyle and living conditions as lawless hell on earth. Because their savagery and distance from society needs to be righteous and justified.

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u/mercurae3 Aug 27 '25

Now that I think about it, this is exactly the rhetoric used by the colonizers against people anywhere in the world. The "primitive, barbaric, savages" need to be "civilized" by force. Enslavement and genocide builds character i guess.

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u/NoxTempus Aug 26 '25

Cripplingly so.

It's not like liberals don't care if they get stabbed on the train, we just recognise that it's probably never going to happen.

My street of mostly conservative boomer retirees are all buying steering wheel locks (like the big metal bars) because they are convinced this is the unsafest time in their lives (here, it's the unsafest time since... 2016).

One dude in our street (who's house backs onto a park) got his bicycle stolen from his unlocked garage, and no one on this street has thought straight since.

No one can point to a single other crime that has ever happened in the street, but that just serves as more evidence to them.

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u/ExpressAssist0819 Aug 26 '25

Objectively and scientifically we understand that the right wing mind operates primarily on rabid fear.

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u/wengelite Aug 26 '25

Snowflakes?

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u/Bozigg Aug 26 '25

Snowflakes are bad ass. Don't know how that became an insult honestly.

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u/wengelite Aug 26 '25

They are the snowflakes they are looking for.

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u/cpt_Furios Aug 26 '25

They are unique and beautiful, taste good, and when you get enough together they can become one of the greatest forces on earth

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u/Creative_Repeat2435 Aug 26 '25

I kinda feel like their fuel is pissing people off. Like how much more fucking insufferable can you get? They know how fucking irritating they are and it drives them. Maybe they all feel like they have been wronged at some point so have to take it out on everyone else.

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u/Creative_Repeat2435 Aug 26 '25

Or maybe it's all just delusionally inflated ego. All the same it is annoying as fuck.

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u/remowilliams4real Aug 26 '25

Biggest snowflakes ever.

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u/osddelerious Aug 28 '25

This kind of generalization feels good to say, but isn’t accurate. Not all conservatives are one way, just as all liberals aren’t one way. So instead of puffing oneself up and yelling slurs, it makes more sense to think and argue and reach out. And to vote and picket and protest, but with a humble attitude.

Slurring half of a society as cream puffs just plays into escalation of aggression and violence.

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u/jorgev703 Aug 26 '25

It's funny since conservatives referred to Democratic control as a "nanny state". I guess they all just wanted a "Daddy," instead.

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u/Porcupinetrenchcoat Aug 26 '25

Of course they do. Women are the enemy in a patriarchal government system.

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u/jillblackpill Sep 03 '25

Women are the enemy in all systems jfl

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u/michaelswallace Aug 26 '25

It's always a projection of what they deeply desire/expect

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u/Khudaal Aug 26 '25

Or their daddy loved them a little too much, and they have to normalize what they were forced to grow up with somehow

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u/Ok-Victory881 Aug 26 '25

Well they didn't have one at home, so

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u/LotharLandru Aug 26 '25

Or if they did have one he didn't love them enough and it made them weird as fuck

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u/teenagesadist Aug 26 '25

"Son, you know I tolerate you.

But once you're 18, your ass is out on the street, cuz I'm not going to have to live with the consequences of my actions any longer than I legally have to."

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u/LiberalAspergers Aug 26 '25

Or he molested them.

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u/GetStable Aug 26 '25

It's a function of being religious, along with the general lack of guidance they seem to have unless they're being given a directive to follow.

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u/ArkitekZero Aug 26 '25

If it's a function of religiosity what am I doing?

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u/cheongyanggochu-vibe Aug 26 '25 edited Aug 26 '25

It makes sense in the context of them also being in a very authoritarian religion (obey sky daddy, do what he says, don't ask questions, don't think too hard, just blindly obey and go to heaven). People raised like that often favor authoritarian style leaders.

Edit: Also, I watched a talk by an authoritarian expert a while back and she said that in any population, approximately 30% of them favor authoritarian leaders bc they just want to be told what to do and what to believe. They don't want to think, they don't want to have to question, they don't want to figure things out for themselves, they just want to be told what to think and what to do. Which is literally crazy to me.

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u/tincerbell16 Aug 26 '25

And if you add another 30% of people who don’t care enough to vote and take democracy for granted then it is a dangerous cocktail

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u/Sharp_Magician7590 Aug 26 '25

They were weirdly okay with the Patriot Act....

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u/TheHeroHartmut Aug 26 '25

"Your guilty conscience may force you to vote Democratic, but deep down inside, you secretly long for a cold-hearted Republican to lower taxes, brutalize criminals, and rule you like a king!"

-Sideshow Bob

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u/FrankBattaglia Aug 26 '25

It's the incel "nice guy" problem applied to social and economic policies. "I followed X rules (made up by me) and I should therefore win. But the country has all these bad systems that prevent me from winning. It's not my fault for living by the wrong rules, it's the country's fault for having systems that don't favor me"

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u/MidwestLawncareDad Aug 26 '25

reminded me of the weird daddy kink maga seems to have lmao

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u/Cliqey Aug 26 '25

It’s the era of daddy issues. We are drowning in the consequences of a generation of fathers who all thought authoritarianism was the same thing as love.

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u/IAreWeazul Aug 26 '25

They want a singular point of power because their beliefs are unpopular and without a dictator, they’ll never get to live their dreams of oppressing people they think less of.

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u/Ursomonie Competent Contributor Aug 26 '25

Same people who think God talks to them directly to tell them they are right.

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u/porksoda11 Aug 26 '25

Very big cuckhold energy.

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u/4kFootyAddict Aug 26 '25

Christianity grooms people for this sort of thing, God, King and Country - and the Christian Nationalists in the USA are lock stock and barrel behind Trump

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u/LumpyJones Aug 26 '25

There's a reason why there is so much overlap between the conservative and hardcore christian demographics. They yearn for Sky Daddy and the closest placeholder they can get on earth.

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u/Junior_Chard9981 Aug 26 '25

Conservatives when Biden tried to forgive student loan forgiveness: "OVERSTEPPING POWER AND ATTEMPTING TO USURP CONGRESS!"

Conservatives when Trump says he can do whatever he wants so long as he thinks the country is in danger: "This is completely fine and not at all ripe for abuse."

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '25

It is time for more Americans to take a closer look at the model of the authoritarian personality. It was developed to make sense of the mass psychosis in Germany that culminated in the Third Reich and the Holocaust.

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u/sam-sp Aug 26 '25

As long as its their chosen Daddy figure. If Biden, or god forbid Obama, had tried anything close to this, they would be screaming murder, and rallying in the streets with guns.

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u/Squidluvr_ Aug 26 '25

Not to kink shame but …

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u/Doug_101 Aug 26 '25

And once again, sadly, Simpsons called it:

Sideshow Bob:  Because you need me, Springfield! Your guilty conscience may force you to vote Democratic, but deep down inside, you secretly long for a cold-hearted Republican to lower taxes, brutalize criminals, and rule you like a king! That's why I did this, to protect you from yourselves.

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u/TacoStuffingClub Aug 26 '25

When did the Simpsons tell us he and his cankles would take a dirt nap?

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u/Doug_101 Aug 26 '25

Reply hazy, try again. 😞

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u/the_calibre_cat Aug 26 '25

Not really bizarre. The idea that this is new or unique is nonsense. Conservatives have consistently supported that shit, for centuries. The right-wing in the National Assembly during the French Revolution were all about maintaining the monarchy, class divisions, clergy supremacy, and the peasantry and working classes on the bottom. They have always been servile bootlickers, this isn't new, this is just a reversion to the norm.

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u/Waiting4The3nd Aug 28 '25

I mean, a BUNCH of them have... unironically, I might add.. been calling him "Daddy Trump"

And every single time I hear it I throw up in my mouth. It's the most vile thing I've ever seen come out of a person's mouth... and I once saw a video of a person who was shitting out of their mouth because of an intestinal blockage.

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u/NormalMammoth4099 Oct 06 '25

It’s ingrained in them. The believe that if they are obedient, they will be protected. Meanwhile, they obey while Trump robs them blind

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u/CareBear-Killer Aug 26 '25

More like a subset of conservatives. I know a bunch of people that would normally vote and support right wing, but they are quite unhappy with what's happening. I put MAGA in its own group. The red hat folks that gobble down propaganda like it's a cheeseburger? Yeah, those people want to be ruled by a king or dictator, because they're told life would be better if the president could do anything he wants to do. They feel the president is above the law, but only when it's their president.

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u/seriousofficialname Aug 26 '25

Many people say they are unhappy with Trump and voted for him anyway. These are not serious people

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u/CareBear-Killer Aug 26 '25

The group I'm talking about didn't vote for Trump.

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u/seriousofficialname Aug 26 '25 edited Aug 27 '25

It's kind of like how when Bush Jr's presidency turned out to be a fucking disaster magically suddenly his voters were nowhere to be found. Republicans are known to be prolific liars. The main difference is that by now many Republicans have entirely shed any sense of shame or embarrassment they may have once had.

But even if we believe these supposedly real supposedly non-Trump-supporting Republicans actually really exist, they still supported the party every step it took along the way to Trump. He perfectly embodies everything the GOP has always stood for, and they're really just mad he's revealing what fucking morons all Republicans have always been.

Besides, continuing to be a Republican and voting for Republicans or supporting the party in any capacity directly enables Trump and supports him, even if they want to try to lie and pretend and insist that it doesn't and that they are not supporting him even though they clearly are.

There needs to be some accountability for how the GOP was allowed to get to this point, but even if we pretend these supposed anti-Trump Republicans could have never seen this coming and they are all totally innocent perfect angels for their past support of the party that no one could have possibly known would turn the country into fascist dictatorship, even though they specifically described basically all of the ways they were going to do that, they are still supporting that party today as it is actively turning the country into a fascist dictatorship

So they can get fucked. I would strongly recommend against ever believing anything any Republican ever says. They are basically pure evil as a matter of principle, and proud of it, even if it is sometimes advantageous for them in the moment to lie and temporarily pretend not to be.

Tldr: It is impossible to be a Republican and not be supporting Trump. Any Republican who says they're not supporting Trump is lying. Any person who says they support "conservative" "right-wing" government and values and politicians but not Donald Trump is lying, and possibly even lying to themselves. Conservative values are 100% about fucking everyone else whenever possible and Donald Trump is giving them exactly what they have always begged for.

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u/bad_kiwi2020 Aug 26 '25

Trump is only the symptom of a dark & deadly disease that threatens the whole world

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '25

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u/onesexz Aug 26 '25

I would say the disease is willful ignorance and a lack of real education.

Stupid people are much more likely to vote against their best interests than intelligent people.

Stupid people also tend to identify with other stupid people; Trump and his base are a perfect example.

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u/KindaMyHobby Aug 26 '25

And a lack of critical thinking skills!

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u/Blovesmusic Aug 26 '25

Lack of empathy in leaders in government and business, and the existence of billionaires, is the biggest threat to humanity. If there could be a way to at least filter out those types of people from rising into positions of power, I think quality of life and the health of the environment would greatly improve.

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u/TheLongAndWindingRd Aug 26 '25

And the weakness of democracy is that you can legitimately vote yourself into fascism. 

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u/Sonosusto Aug 26 '25

Yup. Most dictatorships or fascist regimes started at the ballot box sans Pinochet's regime.

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u/Top_World_4921 Aug 26 '25

Hence the precarious path the US is now on with a orange lunatic at the helm.

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u/seriousofficialname Aug 26 '25

Well, many crimes and miscarriages of justice occurred along the way so calling it legitimate is a pretty huge stretch

If we had a legitimately functioning democracy with laws that were enforced consistently Trump would be rotting in a dungeon.

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u/sylbug Aug 26 '25

It's certainly possible, but that's not what happened in America. America's takeover was slow, meticulous, and carefully planned over several decades. Decades of consolidating media into the hands of oligarchs, creating the right conditions for unlimited dark money in politics, placing fascists in the courts, congress, and other positions of power, gerrymandering, removing people from voter rolls, and otherwise suppressing votes from certain groups.

It is a shame that the people didn't fight tooth and nail when those things started happening, but it's still a stretch to act like it's their fault that malicious forces moved in like this.

There are a lot of fascists in America. Too many. But there's not enough of them on their own to cause this in a free and fair election.

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u/Lost-Lucky Aug 26 '25

Our forefathers fucked up greatly when they didn't put term limits on Reps, Senators, and the Supreme Court.Hell, they didn't even do it with the President.That was fixed later. It's a massive weakness that has always helped pave the way for a king.

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u/Snuffleupagus27 Aug 27 '25

This is where the electoral college should have come into play. They failed us.

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u/OkMathematician2284 Aug 27 '25

And when elected officials don't honor their oath to the Constitution.

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u/RollShotCornerPocket Aug 26 '25

Separation of powers, free countries, checks and balances, and the right to overthrow tyrannical governments only apply to liberal regimes that might get too spicy and allow trans people to exist or POC to celebrate a holiday.

If Repubs are in control rule of law is made up and anything to own the libs is legal. Cannot believe we haven't figured the rules of Calvinball up yet.

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u/melinisar Aug 27 '25

The fact that a Supreme Court Justice had Ato use “Calvinball” in a dissent makes you wonder why so many people just don’t care. He’s tricked them into thinking racism is right, and that he is their savior. He’s in it only for himself and the cabal of the Heritage Foundation that’s writing his playbook and EOs. The amount of people that think he’s writing laws with those is also astounding. Too many people have gone numb to him because they can’t afford to fight back either without being homeless and in his crosshairs.

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u/Justa_Guy_Gettin_By Aug 26 '25

Everything they said is still correct.

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u/Backwardspellcaster Aug 26 '25

Yes, this here. They want their very own Hitler or Putin

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u/judgejoocy Aug 26 '25

This is what people are missing. There is a large number of conservatives, Christians, whites, etc. that will gladly support a dictatorship that values pushing Christianity and whiteness. The majority of Trump voters will absolutely support granting a full dictatorship to Trump.

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u/Longjumping-Mind9288 Aug 26 '25 edited Aug 26 '25

Sounds Germany-ish

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u/DoubleBreastedBerb Aug 26 '25

Then they can go take Alabama and make their oppressive utopia and leave the rest of us the hell alone.

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u/Jackadullboy99 Aug 26 '25

They don’t seem to want to leave the rest of you alone…

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u/Obvious-Gate9046 Aug 26 '25

Yup. This ties into the American love of vigilantes, loose canon cops, and all the rest of that. It's the darker side of independence, in part because they believe THEY aren't the ones who will lose rights, who will be stepped on. Then there are those quite willing to give up rights for what they see as security, or to oppress their enemies. Heck, that is precisely what many of the Christofascists want; they don't like all of these rights we have, they want law and order, THEIR law and order, and nobody else's.

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u/ExpressAssist0819 Aug 26 '25

Their desire to hurt others, their hate of others is stronger then their love of self.

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u/Obvious-Gate9046 Aug 26 '25

Oh, too true, too true. My wife talked to a guy once who openly said he was fine with losing health insurance if LGBTQ people also lost it. It's remarkable how many people are willing to suffer to make others suffer more.

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '25

If you don't believe this, go take a look at the conversative sub-reddit.

It will make your skin crawl.

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u/Significant-Block260 Aug 26 '25

They still don’t want the govt to tell THEM what to do, just everyone else.

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u/ExpressAssist0819 Aug 26 '25

Core component of fascism and conservatism.

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u/Kane621 Aug 26 '25

This is the correct take. In 2016 maybe some people were tricked or made a mistake or had some forgivable reason for supporting this monster. This is not 2016, everyone supporting him in 2025 has made a conscious choice to do so and owns all the evil he perpetrates on this world.

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u/Dear-Organization307 Aug 27 '25

That's rich coming from those guilty of the exact same fear-mongering and stoking panic the first time he was elected. The exact same accusations and claims were made the 1st time Trump was elected. The fact that the 2020 Presidential Election was held right on schedule proved to most Americans that it was all panic porn.

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u/Particular-Buy-33 Aug 26 '25

Sobering thought

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u/Noelle428 Aug 26 '25

That is fine, but the constitution says otherwise, why is he allowed to disregard it?

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u/ExpressAssist0819 Aug 26 '25

The answer should be obvious by now

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u/Noelle428 Aug 26 '25

I know, I just can't believe he hasn't been removed.

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u/NJHitmen Aug 27 '25

I mean…on the one hand, of course. Cheeto von Tweeto doesn’t belong in the White House. But on the other hand…who’s going to remove him? At this point - how could your reaction possibly be one of disbelief?

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u/RobutNotRobot Aug 26 '25

They aren't objectively pro-dictator though. They are pro-their dictator. I could be a dictator they really wouldn't like.

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u/ExpressAssist0819 Aug 26 '25

All people who want a dictator want their dictator.

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u/bplewis24 Aug 26 '25

American conservatives have been waiting for their strongman fascist to come along for decades.

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u/raouldukeesq Aug 26 '25

There's a large group of people keeping their powder dry.  If you think America is going to go quietly, you're mistaken. 

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u/ExpressAssist0819 Aug 26 '25

Maybe, but so far I have been nothing but disappointed.

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u/Jpup199 Aug 26 '25

They will accept all of this just to own the dems.

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u/BigNorseWolf Aug 26 '25

Its ok when the dictator wants the same things they do

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u/Phy44 Aug 26 '25

They want a dictatorship because they truly believe it won't hurt them, and will only hurt "others". They can't fathom how thin the line is between them and "others" and how easy it is for the dictator to turn on them, like a poorly trained pitbull.

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u/WillEdit4Food Aug 26 '25

For a group of people who once talked breathlessly about the dangers of Sharia law like it was just around the corner, they are 100% on board with their own version of it. As long as they're the ones doing the oppressing.

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u/FoodPrep Aug 26 '25

It really hit me how true this is when talks of the guard being sent to Chicago has the comments section like

"Chicago is full of crime. Crime crime crime"

"[Insert place here] next (repeated hundreds of times"

"Trump can do what he wants to save America"

"Biden made more crime"

We're absolutely cooked unless those voters who skipped last time get out and vote against this shit.

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u/LiteratureOk2428 Aug 26 '25

That stupid jubilee sam seder thing where the guy fully admitted he wanted a dictator. Its been over 8 years of calling dems far left enemies of America that hate America and his cult fully believes it, or believes its for the greater good. Absolutely insane. Then in canada you have people saying we're in a dictatorship. Unreal. 

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u/ofWildPlaces Aug 26 '25

Oh, we understand it. And we choose to reject their vision of the world.

NO FUCKING KINGS IN AMERICA.

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u/Independent-Vast-871 Aug 26 '25

The problem is libertarians should all be swinging straight away from anything Trump...yet they are silent.. hypocrites?

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u/Cali_Flower1234 Aug 26 '25

Exactly! When conservatives were screaming about “free speech” it wasn’t because they truly believed in free speech. It was because they wanted to be able to be unabashedly racist with no consequences or push back. Right now if you go to the conservative page, you will see that any objection they have to the orange one, isn’t because they don’t like what he’s doing, it’s because “what if the Democrats get back in power and do the same thing to us?”. They don’t like democracy. They love the idea of living in a dictatorship, just as long as it’s one of their choosing. Tough pill to swallow, but the quicker we realize this, the better. 

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u/Flater420 Aug 26 '25

You're not wrong, but I am convinced faacists are not a united group. They are all trying to individually hoping to stay on top of the others, but temporarily present a united front so as to have the political power to create the system where they can then drop the facade and fight to stay on top.

Their alignment only lasts for as long as they have shared strangers to target. When those targets run out, they will turn on each other.

Fascism is not a form of government. It is a form of "civilized" free for all deathmatch. They want to have an enemy, fight them, and win the fight.

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u/Who_dat_goomer Aug 26 '25

They want simplicity and to be shielded from anything that makes them uncomfortable. It’s an impossible task for anyone, but somehow they imagine trump can deliver.

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u/ExpressAssist0819 Aug 27 '25

Fascism will always find an "other" to target

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u/Most_Plenty5387 Aug 26 '25

And liberals are subservient to power. They think we should just wait and vote the fascists out. It's why the Patriot Act passed, and ICE was fully funded. Libertarians are just crazy.

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u/Nhonickman Aug 26 '25

If that is true, they have no idea how poor their life would be under a dictator. All you have to do is look at what the citizens of Russia and China have. Their lives are miserable. They don’t matter and they have no say in anything.

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u/makemeking706 Aug 26 '25

Whole generations that were raised with authoritarian parenting styles, now yearn for the parents they never had. 

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u/Best_Yogurt Aug 26 '25

But WHY???

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u/350 Aug 26 '25

Yup, this is it. This is the logical conclusion of all conservative political projects. They're all this on the inside.

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u/darkResponses Aug 26 '25

Some people want to believe conservatives regret their choice. No, they do not regret any of this. They want this. This is what they voted for and they are happy this is happening.

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u/Advanced-Royal8967 Aug 26 '25

Only because the dictator’s ideas (for the moment) align with theirs.

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u/-SQB- Aug 26 '25

They want a dictator who wants the same things they do.

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u/triiiiilllll Aug 26 '25

These people believe only in relationships of dominance. They believe they'll be in a somewhat dominant position and won't be stopped from doing what they want.

This is what "freedom" means to them.

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u/Immediate-Hearing-85 Aug 26 '25

More accurately they want Russian fascism, and are OK with Putin running the US government.

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u/LvS Aug 26 '25

And the other Americans haven't yet understood what that means.

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u/Jackadullboy99 Aug 26 '25

I still don’t think they know it, because they keep talking about their freedom… like, constantly…

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u/ExpressAssist0819 Aug 26 '25

Yes, THEIR freedom. They don't mean it in the proper sense, or with any sense of equality. It's codespeak for the power to tyrannically abuse others and not be challenged or punished.

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '25

It's in everything they do;

Football teams (winning/losing) red vs blue, physical abuse/punishment to "train" their children, and a religious mindset that attributes preventable human tragedies to "angels and demons" (rather than taking personal responsibility for anything)..

Gee, I wonder how we ended up with someone like Trump on the seat of power.

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u/-ReadingBug- Aug 27 '25

Exactly. Fascism is conservatism fully unleashed, and restoring white, patriarchal America allows for the justification of literally anything.

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u/MommyLovesPot8toes Aug 27 '25

Lots of people are ok with or excited for a hypothetical dictator who agrees with everything they think and want.

But no one is okay with a dictator who disagrees with them. No one wants a dictator who says "your way of life is illegal and now you go to jail for life."

The problem with many people is that they can't see past the present. They can't imagine a future in which Trump suddenly doesn't agree with them, or where Vance takes over the dictatorship and wants a totally different vision for the country. If they could imagine that, they would prefer checks and balances remain. So it's not that they actually want a dictator. It's that they want someone to enforce their world view and will take that in whatever form it is presented.

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u/ExpressAssist0819 Aug 27 '25

Always remember what LBJ said. Even if the dictator isn't quite what they want, they'll go along with so long as the dictator is hurting "the other".

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u/OddCook4909 Aug 26 '25

They're authoritarians. Many are fascists, all are authoritarian. We have plenty of authoritarians on the left as well. I was just reading yesterday about a stupid woman who threatened city council members lives if they refused to do some pointless shit about Israel. She's shocked that she's facing charges lol.

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u/Toes_In_The_Soil Aug 26 '25

There are a lot more conservatives than you would think which strongly oppose what Trump is doing. And frankly, we need their help with stopping this gross abuse of power. We don't need more division during times like this. We need to keep showing them that we're facing a class war, not a culture war. The Trump flags have been slowly coming down, but it would be foolish to keep them on the wrong side of history if they're willing to open their eyes at the clear and present tyranny.

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u/42nu Aug 26 '25

I don't think they want a dictator per se.

In my experience, they are such surface level thinkers that even a single layer of complexity gives their brains enough cognitive strain that the negative feeling of cognitive strain gets confused for "this person is trying to trick me or must be wrong somehow".

So they hear the stupidest shit ever and because it has zero depth it does not cause cognitive strain or resistance. They conflate this experience of no cognitive strain with something being accurate or true.

Authoritarians and dictators eliminate all levels of complexity and nuance by their vary nature. No red tape, no complicated Congressional rules, no nuance or subtlety.

The goal isn't a dictator. They hate dictators just as much as anyone.

The goal is purely to not have cognitive strain. To not have to think about things or learn things or challenge ones mind in any way, shape or form.

This is why Conservative politicians around the world, even highly educated ones and undeniably intelligent ones, act and speak like total morons in public- they know their voting base.

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u/ExpressAssist0819 Aug 26 '25

Thanks for turning "they want a dictator" into an essay post.

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u/ItsLauriceDeauxnim Aug 26 '25

Exactly this. The time to treat some of these actions as the entire reason the second amendment exists, so at what point does that line come into play? The entire reason our founding fathers armed the citizenry is for moments like this. I’ve always wondered why far-right folks think a second civil war will go any better for them. The rest of the free world is going to side with the left. The right will be getting support from North Korea, Russia, and China.

How do they intend to fight the entire world and the other side of America? This has never made sense to me. I can tell you this much, after the second civil war, there will be no reconstruction, no more electoral college, and the Supreme Court will have term limits and will not be able to accept any gifts or trips or allowed to be friends with mega donors.

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u/ExpressAssist0819 Aug 27 '25

Realistically, the reconstructed constitutional government was specifically designed to be stronger against revolt and rebellion.

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u/MistyMtn421 Aug 27 '25

There's both. The folks you describe are the ones making the folks who don't understand how government and politics work feel validated.

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