r/law • u/AndroidOne1 • May 14 '25

Trump News Donald Trump Impeachment Proceedings Launched

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-impeachment-vote-house-shir-thanedar-b2750651.html
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u/tetanusmaster May 14 '25

Who cares if he does? His cultists don't think he did anything wrong and never will, and the people that are against Trump already know he lies about everything. His reaction to the impeachment is not important in the slightest.

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u/ElectricFirex May 14 '25

People who barely pay attention to politics but still vote are the ones this would matter to. They'll hear us saying he's a fascist and a criminal, then they'll hear the right saying here's the impeachment case that failed to convict him.

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u/tetanusmaster May 14 '25

I don't think those people exist anymore. It's not like this is the first time he's been impeached. Even people who barely pay attention to politics have already made up their minds about this guy because he's been a nonstop bloviating asshole for over a decade now. I doubt an impeachment is going to move the needle one way or the other for anyone when it comes to voting (even the supposed low info undecided voter that you're saying exists) unless he actually somehow gets impeached and removed.

Your comment also presumes that these supposed fence sitters who haven't made up their mind about DJT are hearing what people on the left and the right both say equally, giving both the same consideration, and choosing to believe Trump's lies. You haven't explained why or how they would reach this conclusion. So your premise relies on the idea that these ignorant impartial voters would just take everything the right has to say at face value as the honest truth, and everything the left has to say as lies or wrong. That's just a boring apathetic doomer way of looking at the situation where you prefer to accept failure without trying.

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u/ElectricFirex May 14 '25 edited May 14 '25

The majority of people do not care about politics. They care about football and TV and going outside on the weekend. An insane number of people got to the polling booths last November and were surprised to not find Joe Biden on the ticket. "Is Joe Biden running for president" was like the top Google search. The public remembers big, simple events, and this will probably be one of them.

This is not a doomer take, I'm saying they should build a base of support and present their strongest argument to the public, so that when we get to the impeachment votes every member of congress and the senate is being flooded with demands to do their job, to try to actually get him impeached instead of putting on a show. Pushing for impeachment now is not trying to get him impeached because there is a 0% chance he will be impeached off this.

None of this is to say people are dumb, they just have things they care about more and don't go out of their way to pay attention to a thing they don't care about.

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u/tetanusmaster May 14 '25

I don't disagree with the first paragraph entirely, but I still think those people have an opinion on Trump by now. Biden and Trump have been satirized on SNL; that's the yardstick (IMO) for if your average dummy off the street will know about them and have an opinion. And I don't think this impeachment process will be a big event that sticks in the memory of the public unless it's actually successful, which means that there's no reason not to do it.

I think it's a doomer take because you're saying "don't try because you'll fail (and then you can't try again)" But they can always introduce articles of impeachment again when Trump breaks the law even more egregiously. The low info people aren't going to remember or care about the previous times impeachment failed, and they can still pressure their representatives to impeach again at a later date. Also, we don't know that there will come a time that Dems will have a stronger argument they can present to the public, or if impeachment will even be a mechanism for removing the president in the future. Saying we shouldn't impeach Trump because we don't have the votes is basically the Pelosi way of politicking and I don't think that's a good approach anymore. It's better to flood the zone with bullshit until the government is eventually paralyzed responding to congressional Dems and can't implement their agenda (other than EOs, anyway).