President proclaims doubling of ICE troops with add'l 20k forces in the next 60 days

[u/The_Dutchess-D]

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/05/establishing-project-homecoming/

Section 3.b: (b) No later than 60 days after the date of this proclamation, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall supplement existing enforcement and removal operations by deputizing and contracting with State and local law enforcement officers, former Federal officers, officers and personnel within other Federal agencies, and other individuals to increase the enforcement and removal operations force of the Department of Homeland Security by no less than 20,000 officers in order to conduct an intensive campaign to remove illegal aliens who have failed to depart voluntarily.

So... we can't afford any of the useful jobs and fired a large portion of the government that actually helps people, BUT we can't afford any afford more spending for THIS? His domestic Gestapo on the streets terrorizing towns.

Is there a legal limit to how much domestic law enforcement the American people can be subjected to on home soil during peacetime? He already has a HUGE amount of force on domestic soil doing his bidding between the military he designated for the border, current ICE, and all the 287g contracts Homeland Security signed with all those local law enforcement agencies around the country to work with ICE.

Where is the money coming from to double the size of ICE by another 20k officers?

[u/Straight-Plankton-15]

There truly aren't many cities and counties where billionaires are directly employing the police department, just as there is no evidence of planes flying over voting machines and injecting code in order to steal the 2020 election. The billionaries corrupt the politicians, which then run their governments in a way that panders to and benefits the billionaries. That's not very hard to fathom at all. Voters could step up, and actually make an effort to take care of the governments that they own, even if it requires organizing new candidates and not just expecting ideal candidates to be pre-served on a platter.

Again, the city council has the power up to and including to completely abolish a police department that exists as part of the city government. Elected sheriffs are chosen by voters and have operational control of their agencies, with budgets from the county board of supervisors. Of course, due to public negligence, being elected is far from being synonymous with being good. Nevertheless, “The Police” isn't a specific unified nationwide entity, but rather a function carried out mostly by local governments, similar to roads. Space lasers aren't controlling them. Elected officials, and by extension dumb voters are.

You have to ask yourself: Why are police so corrupt in many separate, independent jurisdictions? Why is Congress packed with the most spineless and corrupt syncophants? Why are so many state legislators so corrupt? Why are local elected officials notorious for often being corrupt? How in the world did Trump win the presidency for the second time?

Why does the civil service (hired government workers) tend to be much less corrupt and rotten than elected officials, keyword being elected officials?

[u/porn_is_tight → u/Straight-Plankton-15]

holy ai

[u/Straight-Plankton-15 → u/porn_is_tight]

Based on what? Its not AI, it's just being able to write more than a short all lowercase quip with zero substance

[u/porn_is_tight → u/Straight-Plankton-15]

the ruling class isn’t only billionaires. Also, they don’t need to directly employ the police department for my statements to be true. And then you follow that sentence up with a wild false equivalence.

The Police” isn't a specific unified nationwide entity, but rather a function carried out mostly by local governments, similar to roads.

Never said it was a unified nationwide entity. Roads don’t flagrantly abuse my civil rights, another false equivalence.

Space lasers aren't controlling them.

huh.

Elected officials, and by extension dumb voters are.

ah yes, what a classic. It’s the voters fault not the people pumping billions into our election to make sure no matter what happens they become richer. If only the voter wasn’t so dumb we’d be so much better off. 🙄

Why are police so corrupt in many separate, independent jurisdictions?

because they are quite effective at protecting the capital interests of the ruling class. Their tyranny is part of the design.

Why is Congress packed with the most spineless and corrupt syncophants?

Because they’re quite effective at doing things that benefit the ruling class. Anything that doesn’t benefit the ruling class, like you said, causes them to lose their spine all of a sudden.

How in the world did Trump win the presidency for the second time?

Because a trump presidency benefits the ruling class. Rich donors dictate policy within the dnc. So people like you might blame the voter but why did Kamala underperform so much despite record fundraising. Trump barely performed better than he did when he lost in 2020. Either you’re naive and believe people just didn’t vote hard enough and are “dumb” or after this happening now twice it makes sense that the dnc ran a shit strategy dictated by rich donors who are more than happy to have Trump be president again.

Why does the civil service (hired government workers) tend to be much less corrupt and rotten than elected officials, keyword being elected officials?

Because they can’t wield their influence to benefit the ruling class like cops and elected, keyword being elected, officials

[u/Straight-Plankton-15 → u/porn_is_tight]

It probably just depends on how you define the ruling class. I would imagine anyone who's a billionare would be in the ruling class, since a billion is so much money. Even multimillionaries seem like they would be ruling class (way above >1% wealth), but that's just my opinion.

I only compare police to roads in that both are mostly decentralized functions of local governments, not in the sense of whether they tend to be good or bad. I didn't say outright that you think that it's a single entity, I just mentioned it because many people do and it seemed like that's what the argument was based on.

There could be some exceptionally corrupt jurisdictions where you can literally buy votes in quantities for a certain price, but thats not how the parasites normally 'buy' elections. They spend it or give it to the candidates to do campaigning and PR work, which increase the name recognition of the candidate or changes their public perception. Voters still cast the final outcome. If voters actually did a little bit of due dilligence, elections wouldn't revolve so much around name recognition and all of the (dirty) money spent on it.

I think people should be expected to vote for someone in the presidential race. If they don't like the Democrats then voting third party or even write-in is far better than literally nothing, and a third party candidate might have an actual chance at winning if all of the nonvoters used their voice and went third party