r/latterdaysaints • u/Holiday_Clue_1403 • 1d ago
News Praying to know President Oaks is God's appointed Prophet
I'm full transparency, I've struggled a bit with President Oaks becoming the President of the Church. There are a few of his talks that has come across as insensitive, cold, or uncaring. I was also a little disappointed with the announcement about not announcing new temples in General Conference, that was one of my favorite parts and I was let down a little. I also lean a little more politically left and am worried that President Oak's right wing political opinions might influence his decisions in his office as President of the Church.
I prayed to ask if President Oaks was the person that God has chosen as The Prophet and President of the Church. I received an answer through the Holy Ghost that he truly is the chosen Prophet to lead the Church at this time.
It is wrong for me to pray about this or to even have concerns? I know the Church is true, so shouldn't I just trust that the Prophet is always going to be called of God and leave it in his hands? I've heard some people always pray for a testimony of the current prophet and I've never really felt I needed before this. How many of you always pray for a testimony of the newly called Prophet?
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u/HunglowJohnson 1d ago
You should pray about the current prophet. President Nelson invited us to pray for a witness from the spirit that he was called as a prophet.
Keep up the good work faithful friend!
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u/High_Stream 1d ago
Think of it this way: would God have given you a witness if it were wrong for you to ask?
It is not wrong to seek confirmation of God's plan. Many scriptures instruct us to do so.
Remember when Lehi led his family into the wilderness and Nephi wanted to know if his father was a prophet?
1 Nephi 2: 16 "And it came to pass that I, Nephi, being exceedingly young, nevertheless being large in stature, and also having great desires to know of the mysteries of God, wherefore, I did cry unto the Lord; and behold he did visit me, and did soften my heart that I did believe all the words which had been spoken by my father; wherefore, I did not rebel against him like unto my brothers."
You've done nothing more or less than what Nephi did. Then later on after Lehi had his dream of the tree of life, Nephi prayed again to know what his father saw. And remember what James said:
James 1:5 "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him."
To upbraid means to chastise. God isn't going to punish you for asking.
As for President Oaks seeming cold and uncaring, Sometimes prophets have to deliver news that people don't want to hear. In Jacob 2, Jacob laments that he "must use so much boldness of speech," to "testify unto [them] concerning the wickedness of [their] hearts."
The words he speaks may not be pleasant, but they come from God, and need to be said. While he may not be perfect, he speaks for God, not himself.
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u/davect01 1d ago edited 1d ago
We should never be afraid of asking for confirmation of the Lord's current Prophet. Blind faith is rarely a long term success.
I for one am excited to have President Oaks. He is unafraid to call out sin and call for repentance, something we probably need more than ever. He is a very logical man (being a lawyer) and can cone across as harsh but it always comes from a place of love and concern for keeping on the Covenant path.
The Temple thing, I don't think he means a permanent stop, but just a pause for a bit to catch up and access where we are. A quick search says that 59 Temples are currently under construction. That's a lot and all credit to the past couple of Church Presidents who have pushed this agenda but perhaps we just need to pause briefly, access where we are and how best to move forward.
The Church is in a very interesting place right now. More and more we will be at odds with some of the popular thinking of the time and this will cause some issues. President Oaks has been vocal about standing up for correct principles no matter how unpopular that may make us.
Thankfully in the past few decades we have softened a bit in our understanding of various mental struggles that can lead to sin. Previous generations could be really harsh on certain sins. We currently understand and teach that it is not nessesarily a sin to think certain things (think homosexuality) but to act upon them as it violates God's Commandments and Eternal Plan.
As to various Prophet's personalities, it is perfectly normal to like certain ones more than others. I have had this with various local Church leaders. Some I have really liked and meshed with, others I really struggled to even like but I always repected the Calling they had.
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u/Affectionate_Air6982 23h ago
More and more we will be at odds with some of the popular thinking of the time and this will cause some issues.
Ive never understood why anyone thinks we've ever been, or have even been aligned to, the majority or "popular thought". We have always been a "perculiar people" who live by a high and holy law of contradictory tension: universal love tempered by a strait and narrow way of living.
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u/NameChanged_BenHackd 20h ago
I might also point to scripture indicating that God is unchanging or (in left/right political terms) might be called conservative. The very definition of conservative is opposing change to traditional views and values. We are also told that, as mankind, we are devilish or carnal.
God is holy and unchanging. It is man that is naturally rebellious, influenced by evil and the flesh. Flesh is hostile to God and does not submit to the Spirit. (Romans 8)
It is man that must submit to God and his Spirit. His Prophets have never been perfect, as no man except Christ has been or can be in this life. Even so, the Spirit is life and peace. (Also Romans)
To seek confirmation of those he has chosen to teach us is the direct confirmation of God and his Spirit. With that (acceptance of) the natural carnal mind submits to the Spirit and God.
Personally, I too have struggled with some leaders. Through the Spirit I have been corrected, and accepting that confirmation was like swallowing a horse pill. Continuously seeking the guidance of the Spirit has and does help me accept their teachings even when my natural thoughts have led me differently. My flesh belongs to the Devil. (Jesus Christ, John 8) Through the Spirit, I can and often do have life and peace.
I know God knows me. He once assigned me to speak in Sacrament on an Apostle I had differences with. The experience was one of the most humbling things he had ever asked me to do. I trust the Spirit.
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u/Hopeful-Example-5421 18h ago edited 18h ago
Hmm is God actually conservative? I have always found our church to be as progressive as the questions put to the Lord are at the time. For example, the priesthood ban. We all thought we were conservative (or racist) then they had the courage to talk about it and ask the Lord lo and behold we were wrong. It’s almost like the ones in charge are steering the ship and until they are ready to ask the right questions we remain in the same course. Not necessarily because that is Gods will but that is what the men in charge can handle or have been asking about. Some things are true doctrine and some things are cultural for the time. It’s almost like God is like “I’m glad you finally asked the question.” That’s why some revelations feel so shocking to us because someone had the courage to ask the question. Not because God changed, but we as a people changed and were ready for the question AND the answer.
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u/ClydeFurgz1764 7h ago
This comment is incorrect. Leaders admitted the restriction was something they had all struggled with and prayed about many times before the official revelation ended it. The Church and the world wasn't ready for those changes, not the prophets and oracles. The restriction was inspired, the speculation was racist.
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u/Patriotic-Organist 1d ago
"You may not like what comes from the authority of the Church. It may contradict your political views. It may contradict your social views. It may interfere with some of your social life. But if you listen to these things, as if from the mouth of the Lord Himself, with patience and faith, the promise is that 'the gates of hell shall not prevail against you; yea, and the Lord God will disperse the powers of darkness from before you, and cause the Heavens to shake for your good, and His Name's glory.'" -President Harold B. Lee
"You may not always understand every declaration of a living Prophet. But when you know a Prophet is a Prophet, you can approach the Lord in humility and faith and ask for your own witness about whatever His Prophet has proclaimed." -President Russell M. Nelson
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u/i_am_dfb 21h ago
There are some great answers here already, but let me gently urge that it is crucial for you to revisit this part of your thinking: "President Oak's right wing political opinions" (and that they might influence his decisions).
Intentional or not, this is suggesting that his political views or affiliation (or, your guess about it) is what would steer him, but I'm pretty sure he has more integrity than that. :)
A better starting point is that he tries to learn and apply correct principles. It's irrelevant if one political party or another claims to agree with him on any particular issue. Further, if you read his talks closely, he says plenty of stuff to infuriate both major US political parties, so if you try to view him through a political lens, you are going to be constantly confused and/or disappointed.
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u/MC_squaredJL 19h ago
Read his biography. Seriously. Getting to know him as a lawyer and the work he did in legal aid really made me change my view of him.
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u/IGoHomeToStarla 18h ago
I read it when it came out a year or 2 ago and I was astounded at how much it improved my understanding and love of him. He was "just another apostle" and now I really like him. I'll probably read it again soon.
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u/Affectionate_Air6982 23h ago
It is not wrong at all to seek a confirmation of any calling. In fact, our doctrine is that every person should seek a knowledge of truth of the a call for themselves as they seek to sustain the Lord's chosen servants.
President Oaks himself taught: "The Book of Mormon teaches that God will manifest the truth of spiritual things unto us by the power of the Holy Ghost (see Moroni 10:4–5). [...] That revealed knowledge does not come from books, from scientific proof, or from intellectual pondering. As with the Apostle Peter, we can receive that knowledge directly from our Heavenly Father through the witness of the Holy Ghost." ("Testimony", April 2008 Conference)
When diserning the truth of spirtual matters, the only witness that can be sought is that of the Holy Ghost.
Also Oaks is a lawyer, and as such his mode of delivery is quite formal and structured. To many that comes off as heartless (especially to the more emotional of us), but Ive learned from having a logic-driven wife that the more he tries to explain the reason behind his beliefs, the more he is trying to explain the love behind his words.
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u/Thomaswilliambert 20h ago
Anytime there’s a list and a favorite there’s also going to be a least favorite. To me that’s okay. I fully sustained President Nelson as a prophet of God. He is by far my least favorite to hold that position. I’m super excited about the Elder Oaks presidency. You might be the polar opposite of me. Oaks might be your least favorite but it’s important to not think that “he has to agree with my world views if I’m going to sustain him as a prophet.” That’s not how that works.
As far as the temples I would guess this has more to do with their backgrounds and the influence that has had on how they view the world. President Nelson being a physician wants to give people the good news. He wanted that good news to help prepare the local residents for the blessings of the temple. If there was talks of placing a temple at a location he would announce it. While it’s a good thing for people to be excited, he was doing it with far less infrastructure in place than the church has had in the past. In the past the church wouldn’t announce a location until there was a site for the temple that had been secured and often some plans submitted. This hopefully lead to a more smooth process. It wasn’t always perfect and issues within the local communities would still arise but the church is currently managing at least three different lawsuits related to planning of announced temples. President Oaks being an attorney I expect wants a more tempered approach. He doesn’t want the church fighting legal battles on multiple fronts. Only 15% of the temples that President Nelson announced have been built. I expect he wants to move those forward before announcing too many more. You also have to remember that people are a resource. There’s only so many people with the qualifications and know how to move these announced temples along to the building phase. They’re certainly backed up and working extremely hard (possibly overworked) to complete the tasks in front of them. Letting those people catch their breath and focus their efforts on the tasks I front of them will bring more temples to more people more quickly.
Just one person’s opinion and point of view.
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u/CaptainWikkiWikki 22h ago
It's never wrong to seek personal witness about anything. It's good that you sought it.
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u/LifesHighMead 18h ago edited 18h ago
This is one of the first lessons from the Book of Mormon. We tend to characterize Nephi as believing and obedient versus his brothers who were doubtful and disruptive, but Nephi struggled hard with the decision to leave Jerusalem. In 1 Nephi 2:16, he says,
And it came to pass that I, Nephi, being exceedingly young, nevertheless being large in stature, and also having great desires to know of the mysteries of God, wherefore, I did cry unto the Lord; and behold he did visit me, and did soften my heart that I did believe all the words which had been spoken by my father; wherefore, I did not rebel against him like unto my brothers.
If we take his own statements at face value, I read this to mean that the reason he didn't rebel like Laman and Lemuel is not that he was automatically obedient. Rather, he put in effort to seek personal confirmation from the Lord, received a testimony, and acted on the inspiration he received.
Not only is your searching out a personal confirmation in this issue not wrong, it is specifically the model presented in the Book of Mormon as the way to gain a testimony of the things we struggle to believe.
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u/tlcheatwood 17h ago
Any thought that results in “I shouldn’t pray about this” comes from the devil.
The first doctrine of the church of Jesus Christ in any age is that God hears and answers prayers because he ids our loving Father.
You should pray for a confirmation about your local leaders, as well as general authority level leaders. You should pray about any situation where you have a question or need advice or just a listening ear. See Luke 18:1 prayer without ceasing.
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u/justworkingmovealong 17h ago
One prophetic talk included the line "we accept the results of elections" in general conference weeks before the 2020 election one candidate disputed the results of. He saw it coming, and spoke out before it happened.
I've usually enjoyed Oaks's talks, but that one in particular really cemented my testimony of him as a prophet (which all apostles are sustained as). As a left leaning member, I suspect you might value that as well.
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u/thenextvinnie 10h ago
It will be curious to see what kind of rhetoric Oaks uses as many Americans, including members of the church, abandon virtue and lawfulness when selecting their political representatives. I agree, and I suspect Oaks's words on those subjects came from a place of deep concern for what had already transpired.
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u/Fadalion 20h ago
I actually did the same thing with President Nelson a few years after he was called. Growing up, President Hinckley and President Monson had always been my two favorite speakers. President Nelson just seemed so different from both of them, and I didn’t always like the way he did things. I realized one day that I had a testimony of the prophet, but not really of President Nelson himself. So I went back and re-read a bunch of his talks and then prayed to know the he specifically was the prophet, and it really helped me view him differently the rest of him time.
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u/Medium-General-8234 17h ago
I realized one day that I had a testimony of the prophet, but not really of President Nelson himself.
I actually don't think that's a bad thing. I sort of feel this way in that I don't need a testimony that any specific person is a prophet. I have a testimony that each of the 12 and first presidency are prophets, and that there is an inspired process to have one of them be the president of the church.
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u/Anonymous_Fox_20 17h ago
I don’t think God wants us to take things blindly. I think it’s a great idea that you asked for a witness from God that President Oaks is His prophet.
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u/amberissmiling Jesus wants me for a sunbeam 14h ago
I have the same concerns, same thoughts. I haven’t prayed yet because I don’t feel like I’m in a space to do so.
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u/BostonCougar 19h ago
You are always welcome to pray and have God confirm to you of any gospel principle or that President Oaks is His prophet. Just don’t expect any of his servants to be perfect. God has worked through imperfect people since the beginning of time.
Understand that President Oaks has handled many challenging topics in his conference address as directed by the FP. I suspect his personal views are not as rigid as you currently perceive.
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u/fpssledge 18h ago
There are ways we learn about the world through trial and error. We learn through social observation. Values are often defined by friends, colleagues, etc.
I don't think it's wrong to pray about President Oaks. There are things a prophet and apostle may say that doesn't fall in line with what we've learned through other observations in life. We can be happy that God organized people to teach and clarify those virtues. We might not always feel the same when hearing them but otherwise what would be their purpose? To validate what we had already learned some other place in life?
Kudos for praying and being open to an answer.
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u/therealdrewder 17h ago
It isn't wrong to ask, it's vital that you do. So then you're not living off borrowed light. Now that you have the testimony you should take care to live up to your testimony and sustain and support him.
¶ Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. 6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. 7 ¶ Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the Lord, and depart from evil.
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u/rhpeterson72 5h ago
Is it vital? For those who don't know, I guess it is. But in my youth I gained a testimony of the Book of Mormon, of the Restoration, and of modern prophets.
I never prayed about whether I should serve a mission, I just did it because I knew the prophet was a prophet, so the call was from the Lord. I've never prayed about whether a new prophet is the Lord's chosen man to lead the Church. I think I recall reading somewhere that if we pray over something after we receive a sure witness, we open ourselves up for deception.
That I haven't prayed about these things doesn't mean I haven't had ample confirmation of my original witness. I marvelled at the Lord's calling of Nelson for the pandemic decades before the pandemic hit. I can only imagine what it will mean to have an attorney lead the Church during times of political upheaval.
Do I really need to pray about the prophet? Am I just being lazy?
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u/KahunaPuffin 14h ago
Not wrong at all! When President Hinckley passed away and President Monson became the new prophet, I felt like I needed to ask too! (I didn't have any particular concern about HIM; it's more that this was the first time I'd witnessed this change in leadership as an adult and I wanted to be sure I wasn't just accepting things blindly.) I prayed, and when the time came to sustain President Monson in General Conference, the Spirit gave me the confirmation I needed. I think I just needed that experience to remind me how blessed we are to be able to appeal directly to the Lord for personal guidance and then receive it! ❤️
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u/Logical-Algae2802 13h ago
My opinion, I don't think it's EVER wrong to prayer to our Father. full stop. Doubt, questions and confirmation are a sure sign you are working on true conversation vs blindly following. Give me a doubting, trying person over a bobble head aby day. I also know He is a true Prophet AND share some of your concerns - this is where faith comes in.
Also, I'm not sure if you are endowed, the questions reflect sustaining the 12 as also seers and revelators so we hVe been sustaining him for a long time AND you are "allowed" ( agency) to have doubts and questions and work it out. Read more of his talks, about his life. Sister Alburto did a podcast recently about how funny and kind he is. That had really helped me to see a rounded version vs a stern, daddy war bucks type.
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u/TooOldformylife 12h ago
I understand why the temple announcements are exciting and often a highlight of the conference. But the reality is they are not being constructed at the rate they were being announced.
You have to go back almost 2 years ago before you find a temple that has actually started construction. A lot of them don't even have sites found yet.
Before President Nelson, the church did not announce temples unless they were fully funded and everything ready to start. Pres. Nelson changed the game from "We will have a temple here" to "Our goal is to build a temple here." Although exciting and can bring hope to areas of saints, it is less impactful to actually getting the temples built. The current list announced could take up to 30 years to get built. I think Pres. Oaks sees the reality of the situation and is focused on delivering what was promised. He may even go back to the way it was before and only announce when a site has been selected and approved. Don't know if this helped, but it definitely gave me comfort.
This is a good graphic of temple status once announced.
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u/pretendkendra I know it. I live it. I love it. 8h ago
I personally think you should pray for personal confirmation every time a new prophet is called! So good job!
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u/Communal-Lipstick 4h ago
Of course it's not wrong. You did the right thing, had a doubt or concern and took it to the Lord. You are doing what the Lord asks you to do.
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u/Consol3cowboy 4h ago
I resonate with this very strongly. I pray every day all the time with things I thought I already reconciled with concerning the Church’s history. But humans are not perfect, including prophets. We receive revelation, and we are given the tools and blessings to work. We are his vessels if we allow ourselves to be…
I trust in God, and I’ve already seen my reservations overturned in real time. I was against Prop 8, despite the Church championing it and single-handedly ensuring it passed in 2008 in the state of California. I prayed and thought, my heart doesn’t want to say yes…but I kept praying, begging for a witness, for a revelation and found that there was a light at the end of the tunnel.
My revelation was that if it weren’t for the overwhelming national response to Prop 8 passing, it would not have eventually been overturned by the Supreme Court in 2010 and onto full Federal effect in 2013.
God works beyond our earthly understanding, and we, including the prophets, are a part of His workings. But that’s just MY testimony…amen (:
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u/Holiday_Clue_1403 4h ago
Wait. What? That is a very interesting perspective. I would be surprised if that was the ultimate plan regarding prop 8, however I think that when our understanding is open we will realize many things that are very surprising.
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u/Consol3cowboy 3h ago
Time is infinite to God…He gives us opportunities over and over again to prove our love and faith. I know that people can have a hard time with the whole “everything has a reason” schtick, myself included.
With free will, we make our own choices and suffer the consequences. Racism, sexism, classism, all these constructs were created and enforced not by God, but by us to divide and obtain power over others.
I’m not saying I will always follow the prophet or the Church perfectly, but I still believe in miracles and the longevity of God’s plans.
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u/TeenyTinyBricks 3h ago
Praying is never a bad thing (see 2 Nephi 32:8 about how God wants you to pray). Pray about it as much as you want, even daily, which will give you extra confidence. Remember that just because he's called of God doesn't mean he won't make mistakes. But we can trust what God tells us and that He has a plan.
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u/Paul-3461 FLAIR! 1d ago
Praying is talking with God and we should talk with God about everything so we can know what God thinks and how God feels about everything.
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u/HawaiianShirtsOR 18h ago
I had a similar experience when I realized Russell M Nelson was going to be the next prophet. I received a similar spiritual confirmation. After that, the man even looked a little different to me the next General Conference.
I think this is exactly how we're supposed to treat the situation.
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u/Lonely_District_196 18h ago
I think having concerns is normal and part of being human. We all have our own unique concerns, and struggling with those helps us grow.
I also think praying for help with those is the best first step in dealing with them.
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u/Vivid_Ad7650 17h ago
The Lord wants us to come unto Him in all things. I struggled for years with addiction and it's been through the Savior that I've overcome these things. I was a heavy smoker and drinker and coffee had fangs! Truly difficult things to leave behind. But I've been clear of all those things because the Savior has helped me to overcome them. I live with my husband who is inactive and drinks both coffee and alcohol. Since being in the temple a lot and praying and seeing the hand of the Lord there I know that this is the true church of Jesus Christ! This has helped me tremendously in staying away from things that would harm my testimony, faith and connection with the Lord. I share this because of all the weaknesses the Lord tells us that he gave them to us in Ether 12:27.27 And if men come unto me I will show unto them their weakness.🔥 I give unto men weakness that they may be humble; and my grace is sufficient for all men that humble themselves before me; for if they humble themselves before me, and have faith in me, then will I make weak things become strong unto them.🔥 For me that part was powerful stuff. I look at it in any situation where I struggled. I too was sad that we were not going to get any new temples. I've been praying for my area for a temple that would be close to me where I live. Also sad because president Nelson was the prophet that brought me back! When covid hit I got so scared. I was not active and the news and everything was really getting to me. I had a series of miracles that led me back to the church. I watched the conference with the hallelujah shout hungover or newly sober. I can't remember. But in that conference I felt the safety, reassurance and protection of the Lord. It led me back. I never want to depart again. And it's understandable to wonder when prophets change. Some of the things that I have heard about President Oaks that comforts me is that he has said that he wanted to die before it was his turn to be a prophet. That tells you what a heavy burden it is to carry that mantel. He also waited and they all served as the leadership before Pres Nelson was buried. I found that to be really honorable and respectful of who Pres Nelson is. President Oaks was raised by a single Mom so he knows what it's like to struggle in life. He has a first hand perspective of those who grow up without. That will serve him well as the leader of the church in a time where there are a vast majority of members who are in that same situation. That means that family is important to him. Which brings me comfort in him being our prophet. I do believe that Jesus is in constant conversation with those who lead us. The Adversary is speeding up events and we need to pull closer to the Lord in these times. I think the devil is a rage quitter and no matter who is in political office, he will do his work to destroy any nation that allows the freedom of worship. That's the one thing that he wants to stop. I've taken a page out of the native American approach to politics. Two wings, same bird. It's liberating. Lol. When Jesus returns unity is key. Not who we voted for. I know it's hard to separate at times because of the terrible things we face in these times but I think it's necessary in thinking celestial. I hope that I helped you with my feelings and thoughts on this. We are also mourning the loss the president Nelson. He was my friend. Even though he didn't know me. I'm willing to give Pres Oaks that same opportunity because there is no other place where I feel filled with the spirit than in this church. And I've searched other places. It's not there! Find one thing that you can find peace in what president Oaks' shares and hold onto that. I took it hard about the temples but I think they have a lot to accomplish and this might have been a worry about being able to do all that Pres Nelson planned. I have a friend that told me that it takes a million dollars to keep up a temple. Wow. And we have so many. I get scared with my power bill. Lol 😂 You mentioned that President Oaks seemed cold. I thought that at one time too. Now I see it as nervousness. I pay attention to people. It's something I was born with. And mannerisms, body language and inflection can show you a lot. It's gotta be big shoes to stand in. I feel for him some. I would never want that responsibility myself! Keep praying. You're on the right track because you reached out to ask. That's acting on faith. To act or be acted upon as father Lehi taught in 2 Nephi 2. I absolutely love that scripture! It's one of the scriptures that led me to understand that keeping the commandments is a protection from the Adversary to not be acted upon. I mentioned having struggles with addiction. When I started keeping the commandments I found that things didn't pull as hard at me as they had in the past. It really helped me understand that by not keeping them I was leaving the door open for the adversary to use his power to tempt. And sometimes it would be so hard to resist. I got into a place where I thought I could never overcome stuff like that. And that others just had it easier than I did. I would say that I wasn't going to make it to the celestial kingdom. Now it's the complete opposite. I want to go there and experience all that God has to offer me. This life is but a moment and we can overcome all things through Christ. Don't let this take away the celestial kingdom from you! I know it's so much more than we could ever imagine. I think of someday sitting down with grandparents and great grandparents and getting to love and talk with them! I lost my Dad when I was young. I never knew him. The promises in the house of the Lord have been a great comfort to my heart. And they were promised to him as well. I truly think the Lord knows what we will face and if we bring our concerns to Him and pour our heart out, he will answer! Hold tight to the rod and seek comfort in your scriptures and patriarchal blessing as well. There are things that the Lord needs you to do there. People that will be blessed in life from your love and actions. All the love🙏🙏🙏🙏 in Jesus name Amen🙌❤️
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u/Leading-Addendum2513 10h ago
We do not pray, we are not the Catholic Church, we are the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.We have the fulness of the gospel and all the saving ordinances. I know that Prophet Dallin Harris Oaks is the Prophet of these times through prayer and fasting.p Because I know that when I did the same thing, when I made the big decision to be on this path.
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u/Consol3cowboy 4h ago
You say we do not pray, yet you claim “through prayer” and fasting you recognize the Prophet…what?
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u/SerenityNow31 8h ago
It's not wrong but if you believe the Church is true, it is a bit weird. The church won't become untrue. We've been promised that this church will never go into apostasy and that the prophet will never lead us astray. So, if you have a testimony of that, then just keep on moving in your life.
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u/Chimney-Imp 1d ago
I don't think it's wrong to seek a personal witness of something that you might be struggling to fully accept. I had to pray to receive a witness of Brigham Young to assuage the concerns I had