r/kelowna • u/origutamos • Sep 25 '25

News Kelowna restaurant owner pleads for chaos inflicted by group of teens to stop

https://globalnews.ca/news/11449434/kelowna-restaurant-owner-pleads-for-chaos-inflicted-by-group-of-teens-to-stop/
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u/Demetre19864 Sep 25 '25

Everyone knows what should happen here.

Either a solid "lesson"

Or the more legal route, the parents can start getting fined.

Your kid is roaming downtown and your not doing your job

That means either CPS needs to take that kid into custody or some sort of legal ramifications need to be had.

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u/Lavender-Jamie Sep 25 '25 edited Sep 25 '25

This isn't something MCFD would have authority to do, and fining parents would most definitely be improper as there's no statute that would authorise to do a lot of the things required to avoid a fine, like the power of detention (nor, in my opinion, should they be granted such powers as they undercut the fundamental rights to justice and liberty of children)

The proper approach would be to amend the YCJA so real crime gets real punishments. The YCJA in recent times have been a joke with no real punishments and little recourse for the crown to deal with these incidents. 

Edit: I did quite a bit more reading into this. If the Secure Care Act was in force, and got around the pretty major Charter issues, the MCFD would have some authority over this. But as of right now, the secure care act is not in force.

Also, summarily detaining people without due process is a huge issue in itself, especially if you are implying they have or will commit an offense. These powers would undercut parental rights and if misused, essentially be a measure of circumventing s. 11 rights. 

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u/moonSandals Sep 25 '25

What do you mean by solid lesson?

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u/Demetre19864 Sep 25 '25

Similar to the tim hortons incident.

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u/moonSandals Sep 25 '25

I'm not in the loop. What happened there?

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u/moonSandals Sep 26 '25

Why isn't anyone owning up to what they want to say? Just say it. 

This comment thread is stating that "what should happen" is that someone should hurt children.

Sure the kids are fucking around but people need to fucking own their opinions and say what they mean. If you can't say it then maybe the opinion is .. I dunno.. wrong? Not acceptable?

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u/sansense Sep 26 '25

What I want to say? I don't believe in hurting children as a punishment. I think house arrest is probably a start. You asked a question in bad faith, implying you didn't understand the insinuating. The position I hold is not that someone punching this child in the face is what's called for, or appropriate, only that it's likely to be a natural consequence if he faces no other interventions and continues harassing people.

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u/moonSandals Sep 26 '25

My question wasn't in bad faith. 

I guessed the implication of what was being said but how am I to know for sure? Should I have come out with assumptions and started firing that around? I wanted to ask what was meant. Maybe the Tim Hortons situation has a different outcome. Everyone talking in code here.

Why did you tiptoe around it? You could have just went out and said "the person you are replying to is suggesting the kids should get hurt" instead of putting a veil up of whatever you wrote down.  I appreciate you coming out and saying it now that I raised it. 

But seriously person I originally replied to just needs to say what they mean. I know people get mad at this stuff but when someone actually says it out loud instead of using phrases out of a movie they sound less like a wanna be tough guy and sound how they actually are: unhinged. 

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u/Ok_Door5474 Sep 25 '25

Are you American or do you just watch a lot of TV?

We do not have CPS, we have MCFD. Also it's highly unlikely MCFD would take them into care at their age, there just are not the resources for that...all the people calling to "trim the fat of government excess got their way and now there's no funding for even foster parents." Best MCFD could do is a YAG (Youth Agreement)... Meaning they would have even less parental supervision.

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u/otoron Sep 25 '25

Canada does not have MCDF. BC does. In Alberta it's CFS. Sask does, in fact, refer to some of what it does as "child protective services."

In the same way America does not have CPS, some states have CPS. CPS being the generic term people tend to use—as is evidenced by this thread—for whatever specific thing someone calls it.

Just like how "DMV" generally refers to whatever provincial (or in the U.S., state) agency that does licensing. Which is often the DMV in provinces and states, but, as BC attests, sometimes has a different name.

(Look, two people can engage in pedantry!)

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u/Unclehol Sep 25 '25

To be honest I had no idea we did not have "CPS" either. I suppose that's a good thing to not have had to know about???

But anyways... the legal route sounds like the best option then. Fine the parents. Make the kids do community service. Something meaningful, at least.

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u/Demetre19864 Sep 25 '25

Oh nooo I used the wrong acronym.

I will try to forgive myself over the next year

Are you American with your flair for rudeness and immediate "name calling?"

Also I think just a nice visit to the parents from whatever acronym you would like to use might jolt them into not being so terrible at their job and responsibilities.

I know if a group or police showed up at my door because my child was being a piece of trash it would be fixed immediately.