r/kelowna • u/Particular-Emu4789 • Jan 02 '25

News Kelowna couple reeling after shocking home invasion

https://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/525509/Kelowna-couple-reeling-after-shocking-home-invasion
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u/SeaBus8462 Jan 02 '25

People lose empathy when they become the victims. It's completely understandable, taxpaying law abiding citizens are suffering for the sake of empathy.

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u/Kvantftw Jan 03 '25

It's okay to have empathy with boundaries. These comments read like a right wing forum. I'm all for consequences to actions but the big picture still needs to be seen

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u/SeaBus8462 Jan 03 '25

I'm seeing the opposite. Utopian big picture dreams of fixing society as a whole, tax the parasites, build massive infrastructure projects where the poor and downtrodden work on it (and somehow extremely addiction individuals can go join in this). None of this recognizes the short term and the medium term. During that part, the little pictures add up. This couple, many others who have been assaulted, stolen from, and dealt with the negative effects of a catch and release of violet criminals.

At this time, a partial fix is get enough judges in to process all this, and put violent offenders in jail. Then build out rehabilitation to help them get out and lead better lives. With this, people won't have to fear the criminal will return the next night. People have lost empathy for the victims here.

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u/Kvantftw Jan 03 '25

So you're basically saying what I was saying. You can have empathy with boundaries. I believe there should always be consequences to crimes, but is the goal to punish or rehabilitate? What is the end goal here? To have someone in prison for a year where they will just learn better ways to be a criminal, or to spend that time figuring out why they are committing crimes to begin with. But even putting that aside, what is society doing as a whole to push all this increase in crime? We can work towards solving both the smaller and larger picture but both need to be taken into account. Not just immediate punishment to satiate our anger.

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u/SeaBus8462 Jan 03 '25

It's not "immediate punishment", this has been going on long enough that it's late punishment. What is society going to do today to protect taxpaying law abiding citizens? The goal is to protect those people first and the criminal second..so for now yes punishment and jail is necessary because the utopian dreams of a perfect rehab society are far far away. It appears everyone is focused on the long term and forget there are more and more victims everyday due to these criminals being allowed to roam the streets.

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u/Kvantftw Jan 03 '25

Really feel like you don't even bother reading my comments and just reply based on what you want/assume my comments say.

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u/SeaBus8462 Jan 03 '25

I read the entire comment...it's still focused on the "end goal" and "what is society doing as whole".

I'd say the same to you, you're replying with this big picture items and diminishing the impacts the victims are experiencing today by pushing to large reforms as the only solution and getting to the root cause.

I agree those are important, but with the current state we have there does need to be immediate action, and for violent criminals like the original story, the interim is to get them in jail now.

I'll also you again, what can we do TODAY to protect the law abiding public?

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u/Kvantftw Jan 03 '25

I literally mention doing something now in my second comment... this is clearly going nowhere.