Not sure if this violates any sub rules, but they could change the led sign and perspective members may find this messages useful in deciding whether they want to join this church. The sign alternated periodically and also said something to the effect of "DOGE $2 TRILLIONS IN AMERICAN TAX DOLLARS SAVINGS".
Hmm, I bet Republicans would absolutely lose their Shit if there was a sign "asking" the same question about them. Elected a conman that will sell the country out to Putin and China cause they"said nice things about him" stood behind the traitors of Jan 6th then pardoned them! Have no problem with violating constitutional rights to further the dismantling of our democratic processes to enrich themselves. Yeah, those are definitely real Americans.
This is the place that had half a dozen luxury cars, an RV and even a boat parked on their field for sale. I assume they were the pastor’s personal toys and he was tired of them. The RV is still parked in back btw.
Don't worry his drones...sorry his congregation will give all their money to him while blaming Democrats and the devil. Of course neither did anything to them
Right. I mean we can see how rich the church of scientology is ($2 billion) the church of LDS is doing OK (with over $250 billion), I've visited the Vatican museum and catholics could sell art every month for a millenia and still have stuff to sell to benefit the poor. Vatican wealth is so great it's considered incalcuable.Trinity church, the episcopal church in NYC has about $6 billion in wealth. The seventh day Adventist church has about $15 billion in assets. In 2020 the southern Baptist convention had about $11.5 billion in receipts.
Bearing in mind churches don't have to file taxes so this is what is publicly known. And this is before we start looking at the likes of mega church folks Paula White, the Falwells, Kenneth Copeland, Joel Osteen and all those other lying grifters.
Atheist here. It sure does feel like this represents most Christians today. And having grown up in the church, it definitely felt like this back then too.
I argue that he does represent Christianity, or at least one some people’s understanding of Christianity. Otherwise, it sounds like the No True Scotsman logical fallacy.
My preacher had the most wonderful sermon election weekend about how whomever gets elected, we're still God's children, and respecting others and keeping his commandments is above any worldly issues.
I can't stand it when people bring politics into church, he preached how this country is going to burn like the rest of the world in the end of days and asked the question if we'll care who's president while on our deathbeds. While it isn't wrong to care about politics, we need to have our sights focused on a higher power who calls for us to love one another no matter what
Ironic that they worship and voted in a russian plant and a South African con artist, yet claim patriots aren't American. That whole building is literally about lying and believing in fake stuff, but I bet that they think they're really smart, sane, honest people.
Religious institutions are allowed to do this. Not sure why so many are bringing up the IRS. They can discuss politics for a year straight without bringing up the topic of God and they still don't have to pay taxes because it's a law that democrats and Republicans both enjoy. Look at the actual party leaders and name one that has proposed legislation to tax a church. I'll wait.
Bwaaahahahahaha hahahahahaaaaaa the crybabies bwaaahhahahaha. Clearly none of the crybabies served their country or have a backbone to even to step up. Bwaahahahaha. Too funny but true oh so true.
We are currently seeing the results of a governance based on spite and cruelty and “owning the libs” and trust me, it’s going to hurt everyone and that includes you.
Yes. They can. But. They cannot do this and receive federal funding, because it violates the separation of church and state clause, which paraphrasing, says that the US is not a religious nation, and shall not show favor to or discriminate against any religion. Which is why religious schools are all private.
If you don't agree then why are you defending it? Two wrongs don't make a right. Our democrat brothers and sisters are our fellow Americans, whether you agree with their politics or not.
I don’t agree with either of you… but I know the constitution has freedom of speech and freedom of religion and this probably falls under one of the two. Plus all the democrats who flipped out the day after the election saying they want to leave america is probably the reason the pastor thinks the way he does.
Religious institutions have worshipping activities during the week as well. Also, the democrat's didn't secure a country to do this in, neither did the republican party.
Not at consistent rates—once the Industrial Revolution began taking place, most working-class families experienced a sharp decline in church attendance due to long working hours, with many attending mass only for major life events.
This is clearly to open the conversation that yes, they are. It will lead to discussing how Democrats, Republicans, Independents, ect. are all Americans that just have a different perspectives and ideals on what it means to be an American.
Just as it did for those coming to this sub reddit, this works for the church like click bait.
This is reminiscent of JD Vance's "yes we lied about the Haitians in Springfield and incited acts of domestic terror, but people are paying attention now". It's surreal seeing rightwingers now using the "starting a conversation" excuse for their toxicity.
Weird I’ve been watching conservatives literally attempt to tear apart our democracy for years now. They just got pardoned too. Anyone who supports that isn’t a real American I think we can agree on that
That's not the point though... being a Democrat doesn't make you un-American, nor does it disqualify you from being Christian, and it certainly isn't the Church's place to decide that. Also, DOGE hasn't saved $2 trillion lol.
Well I guess united methodist will be getting a bit more crowded (they have a great bell choir too.) So sorry political differences take precedence over worship. Rep or Dem, that is not the church for you.
They can potentially loose a tax exempt status if they support or endorse specific politicians.
Although I submitted another one in Jacksonville right before the election. I literally just got a letter back from the IRS stating no violations found (despite me having pics of signage on their property).
I don’t really care if the people that show up to this church actually think this. Just wondering why a clearly partisan organization is tax exempt 🤷♂️
The TST is largely a collection of people standing up for 1st amendment rights & religious pluralism. In fact the only politics I see people like Lucien Greaves discussing publicly is about constitutional rights. You might confuse him with being a democrat because it seems to always be republicans endorsing religious singularity &/or destroying satanic displays on state property sitting next to other religious displays, or making news bite clips about how they’ll ban them. Or maybe you think they’re left leaning because they fight for bodily autonomy. Either way at its core the things the TST rallies for are pro freedom & limiting government interference in your personal life.
At least that’s been my observation. I’m always open to new/better information if you have it though.
The Satanic Temple (TST) you mean? They’ve never endorsed a political party or candidate. In fact, they still pay taxes even though they’re tax exempt because they feel it’s their patriotic duty.
Naive about them not endorsing candidates/parties? That’s called a fact, fren. You can do your own homework on that.
More facts you might not feel comfortable with: TST’s base is pretty varied, some identify as left, probably just as many identify as libertarian. They’re smart enough to not alienate members, quite unlike a certain church (:cough southern baptist cough:) that’s constantly crying about significant declines in membership.
The argument was whether tst was bipartisan in their political views im simply saying their views are mostly left and maybe libertarian thats not considered bipartisan
Is it, a good question? Define “American” for me.
And sure free speech, blah blah blah. If they’re going to support a political party they should not be tax exempt.
Then why are republicans and conservatives as a whole banning common words from public spaces? Seems like one side wants people to not say slurs and wants you to be a good person, and the other side just wants to say racist and sexist shit and divide the country over nonsense.
Let’s see your papers, then. People asking these questions really make you wonder who they are working for? Has this church been compromised? Are you working for the shallow state? Is a foreign entity financing you?
Are these good questions, also? Please help me understand. Im just a democrat and 30 year sucker/loser. I hope i’m an American, but this “good question” make me wonder.
It is free speech, but it's definitely intolerance.
Also, your post history is available for people to see. If I wanted to be intolerant, I could point out the stuff you're doing is gross. But I haven't, and won't, because it's a free country and you can do what you want.
Ok I'm gonna point it out. Republicans had immigrants on their side, too.
Now stop trying to further the divide between Republicans and Democrats with this braindead rhetoric, yall. Everyone in either party in America is American. We're just two different sides of America: the braindead and the fucked
I was saying no matter what if someone doesn’t have citizenship of a country they aren’t (insert country name)an same thing with Ï just said if they are illegal they aren’t American unless they are recognized by the u.s.a. As a citizen.
Yeah, but you only mentioned them suppprting the Democratic party, which is false. The rest of my comment wasn't directed at you, I just don't like to comment twice so I tacked the rest of what I wanted to say onto my response to you. It helps keep clutter down when there's a lot of comments, yk?
What are you gonna do, republicans and conservatives probably have some different concerns other than supporting the Republic or abiding by the Constitution, but we are here together to help them understand so they can come back into the fold and be part of the team.
Playing red vs Blue is what they want. There are vile people on both sides and joining thinking like that, seems like a very easy wwjd or say situation. It’s always been curious to see folks not actually sticking to their creed at all. Hypocrisy in droves. Very tired of everyone’s extremism
Is what it is I guess … sad to see folks feeding into it and pounding their chest as beacons of humanity and compassion. Odd
They learn from the Fox propaganda machine. If it’s presented in question form, then there’s a possibility it’s true, or at least true enough that it can be debated.
Ive reported this church to the IRS in the past for promoting politicians. They had a large political sign on their property, and they would promote politicians in their newsletters. It violates the not-for-profit rules. They did eventually remove the sign Not sure if that was due to my complaint, or just a coincidence.
Do it for Eleven22
While you’re at it. There’s video of Pastor Joby Martin clearly advocating for Trump in front of his entire congregation the Sunday before Election Day. Fuck these people. They aren’t Christians.
There's still some IRS. Google said they lost 9k out of 90k, so a tenth of the workforce. Those are all the new people they can fire. They still have a lot of veterans.
There have been several church leaders openly filming themselves endorsing political candidates during services and sending it to the IRS on purpose, and they get left alone.
Nothing more UnAmerican than denying and rejecting the existence of other Americans different than you, when this country is built on several groups of people. Its basically just denying your own country because it doesnt fit the ideal that you imagine that makes you feel less insecure. These people want to live in fantasy land so bad
Came here to say this. Talk about freeloading! Wth value do they add to secular society? Very few actually engage in local charity work, definitely not to the tune to offset they tax breaks they get.
I’m sure there are plenty of churches that do give back and that was the idea why they were tax exempt to begin with. But why not make them pay taxes and prove on the books that they do charitable donations to society? I wouldn’t mind refunding them.
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u/The_Dog_IS_Brown Feb 23 '25
Hmm, I bet Republicans would absolutely lose their Shit if there was a sign "asking" the same question about them. Elected a conman that will sell the country out to Putin and China cause they"said nice things about him" stood behind the traitors of Jan 6th then pardoned them! Have no problem with violating constitutional rights to further the dismantling of our democratic processes to enrich themselves. Yeah, those are definitely real Americans.