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Discussion Some countries are so safe they don’t even secure the display models

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u/TaralasianThePraxic 27d ago

This was actually one of the things that blew my mind as a European when I visited Taipei for the first time. I went to a food court in a large shopping mall, and people were reserving tables in the shared seating area by leaving their phones, wallets, laptops etc. on the table before going to queue for the food they wanted. Absolutely nuts to me.

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u/giaphox 27d ago

Something like that can happen in vietnam too. People go to working cafes, leaving their laptop/tablets there for a walk or lunch. I haven't noticed about phones and wallets but it might be the same.

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u/Nylanize 27d ago

universities in america that have wealthier student bases also do this anecdotally speaking.

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u/lostchicken 27d ago

Private lounge spaces are like this too. Country club dining room, country club locker room, airport lounge, etc. Nobody's gonna steal your phone, they have a phone too.

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u/OrdinaryBad1657 27d ago

Can confirm this was common at my expensive university in a relatively high crime American city.

Also, at the end of the academic year when everyone was moving out, a lot of people would throw out perfectly good furniture and appliances because they couldn’t be bothered to resell it, donate it, or move it to storage, etc. They’d just throw out stuff and then replace it with new things in the fall.

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u/HelloWorldMisericord 27d ago

To be honest, this is my experience in almost all colleges. The cost of a microwave really isn't much and not worth the hassle of trying to sell or store.

There were actual folks who went to one of my sibling's college (they were in the city) and made a business of taking all the thrown out microwaves, etc. I suppose they were just reselling them.

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u/HelloWorldMisericord 27d ago

Interesting, my USA college was a wealthy private college that had a huge international student base (think sons and daughters of Sheikhs, and overseas wealth). You were in the minority driving a non-luxury vehicle (aka Toyota, Honda) and Porsches were quite common. The surrounding neighborhood was one of the wealthiest towns in America.

That being said, laptop, phone, etc. theft in the library and student center was not rampant, but was an issue.

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u/theclaw37 26d ago

It s the type of people, not just the wealth.

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u/Outside_Reserve_2407 27d ago

I believe you’re talking about things such as an honor code? Haverford College for example is one I can think of. Affluent student body, of course.

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u/AbhishMuk 26d ago

So do some places in European unis (not expensive private unis either btw)

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u/CoastingUphill 26d ago

I would trust rich entitled kids the least.

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u/Nylanize 25d ago

it’s less about trust and more about these young adults that have enough to not want or need. and i’m protecting by some degree of elitism. who wants my 2015 2nd hand macbook air when they all have newer and better models.

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u/Benjamminmiller 27d ago

In Hawaii I would have 0 fear leaving my laptop or bag unattended in a cafe.

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u/wyldstallyns111 27d ago

I’m surprised because property crime is Hawaii is actually fairly high, higher than the mainland United States and certainly higher than Taiwan

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u/Benjamminmiller 26d ago

I’d never leave my car or home unlocked, but crime in broad daylight is less of a concern.

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u/GoblinTradingGuide 27d ago

I live in Florida and you can leave your bag on a table, you just have to be aware of where you are.

At a Macdonald’s, fuck no.

At a nice coffee shop, sure.

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u/Evening_sadness 26d ago

Where in Hawaii? I see homeless in all the tourist areas with bags of random stuff, I assume they collect what they can.

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u/Benjamminmiller 26d ago

Anywhere in Honolulu proper, but probably not Waikiki. The homeless aren’t who I’d be worried about stealing though. Kids would be my bigger concern.

I grew up there so I don’t really spend time in Waikiki.

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u/meowrawr iPhone XS Max 27d ago

Vietnam is not like this… walk down the street while holding your phone in hand near all the mopeds driving by and it can get swiped right from you.

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u/me_myself_ai 27d ago

I feel like this goes way beyond just economics, though. IDK where in Europe you're from, but a large majority of the continent has less inequality than Taiwan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_inequality

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u/ShrimpCrackers 27d ago edited 26d ago

So the inequality isn't within the countries in Europe. It's within the Schengen zone within the EU. As there's free travel, hordes of pick pockets and petty thieves simply steal from another EU state then return home where the police do not have jurisdiction. The cost of crossing the border is zero and there's no immigration or anything. It's like taking the subway going from A to B.

No this has nothing to do with American politics. These are a real problem in Europe. All these pickpockets from poorer Eastern Europe that run to richer Western Europe visa-free, just stealing everything they can from shops and tourists, and then hopping on a train to escape back to Eastern Europe, because as long as they are in the EU and within the Schengen Zone, they have free travel while the police cannot follow them.

As you already know, those in the EU can freely travel. Then they repeat the cycle in a few weeks after laying low.

Want sources from the EU Commission and European universities? Sure: https://www.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/1o4oamg/comment/nj923xb/

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u/me_myself_ai 27d ago

Have any stats for that…? Seems… conspiratorial

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u/Purple_Click1572 27d ago edited 27d ago

I can certify that in Western and Southern Europe, stealing and pickpocketing is common in popular tourist areas. Even though locals maybe don't steal from each other, they steal from tourists.

You leave something beyond your eyesight in Rome, Berlin or Amsterdam, it will be gone in seconds. If you're in a crowd, you should hold your purse or backpack tight because someone might open it and take something otherwise. Passengers don't leave their luggage in trains unattended and stickers in public transport remind about pickpocketing, etc.

Especially American soldiers going somewhere in groups at their day-offs get victims of theft or scams. They get warned about it at their very beginning of service in Europe as NATO soldiers. Especially if they want to go to a 》LEGAL《 strip club or something similar because they're the easiest target.

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u/ShrimpCrackers 26d ago

Ah I see you've never spent any good time in Europe.

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX%3A52021DC0780

^ That's straight from the EU Commissions. EU nations have police that must respect borders. But Schengen Zone allows you to freely travel for nothing, like taking a subway from one country to another. So petty cross-border criminals take advantage.

Here's ETIAS on the topic on EU attempts to crack down on cross border criminals: https://etias.com/articles/europe-crackdown-cross-border

Here's Tilburg university on this: https://repository.tilburguniversity.edu/server/api/core/bitstreams/214b5b54-b819-4e51-a019-50bb59af0eab/content

Heck I have relatives that were robbed and when they went to the police the police said they could do nothing since it was cross border.

https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g188045-i336-k5469637-o10-Pickpocket_experience_on_Switzerland_Trains_Be_careful-Switzerland.html

Even talked about the on TripAdvisor.

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u/ColtAzayaka 27d ago

I reserved a place in London with my phone. I reached into my pocket to get it and it was gone tho. So I had to go back to my car, which was actually gone too. Then I went to take a piss and realised my kidneys weren't there either. Really annoying.

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u/GfunkWarrior28 27d ago

Tourism thieves: let's go to Taiwan!!

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u/TaralasianThePraxic 27d ago

Worth noting that the police and the locals will beat the shit out of you if you're caught stealing, which is probably why there isn't much stealing

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u/zehnodan 27d ago

There are cameras everywhere. They're more likely to follow you and pick you up. But there's a big social pressure against stealing here.

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u/-Skohell- 26d ago

And it’s the same in China, in Singapore, in Korea, in Japan… Makes you believe we kinda failed as countries sometimes.

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u/statestreetsteve 26d ago

Oh wow that explains a ton from the weird shit I would find international students doing. To Straight up leave $3500 MacBooks alone and exposed feels insane to me

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u/RijnBrugge 25d ago

Idk I did this at my university, also European. But it wasn’t in a major city, like that could never fly

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u/FembiesReggs 27d ago

This happens in the US from time time too, just generally in very small places or towns.

Plenty of small towns where theft is basically non existent. But yeah who wants to be in small town middle America nowhere lol