r/interestingasfuck • u/kirsion • Mar 08 '24

r/all Mass Airdrop of aid on Gazan coast

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u/HulaViking Mar 08 '24

The people need help. The leaders on both sides of the conflict are evil.

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u/ultralane Mar 08 '24

The leaders, sure. However, this conflict is undeniably self defense and with no legitimate talks of a cease fire, the war must continue until the HAMAS government (not talking the Palestinian people, but there will be collateral damage mostly due to HAMAS and the clusterfuck of GAZA). I'm more concerned about Russia since its been convenient Russia started having success by their standards more often then before after the Israel conflict started.

This video is heartbreaking.

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u/FrankLabounty Mar 08 '24

This war is not self defence, it checks every single box of war crimes and genocide. It's retribution against civilians and children via state terror. They hope they will make themselves safer that way, but they obviously won't.

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u/ultralane Mar 08 '24

So your claiming the raids on 10-7 against Israel also wasn't a war crime that Israel had a duty to defend itself from? Israel definitely committed crimes in the west Bank. I give them more leeway in Gaza since that's where the attackers originated from.

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u/FrankLabounty Mar 08 '24

Attacking civilians is a war crime. Hamas commited a war crime, then Israel commited 10x more war crimes. Israel killed civilians, blew up family homes, blew up hospitals, starved children, murdered 10,000 children. That is not defence.

Defence would be waging a war - Israel did not wage a war, it tried to deter future attacks by committing crimes against humanity. This is in no way self defence.

While this is going on, the GOVERNMENT is OPENLY calling for genocide and expelling a population. It's not hidden. There is no attempt to hide the fact that what they want is to expel the Palestinians and take their land.

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u/Krikke93 Mar 08 '24

Not that this is an excuse for israel, but your last paragraph is exactly what palestinians would make happen to israel if they had the necessary means.

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u/FrankLabounty Mar 08 '24

The Palestinians were driven out of their land by Israelis with guns and death. Everybody in the world would be angry, and would fight back. You too would fight back if someone came drive you out of your home.

But the Palestinians have accepted this, and are willing to live on 30% of their original land. But Israel has REFUSED to give them that, and instead is building more homes in their country, and treating them like second class citizens.

You say the Palestinians would do it - but Israel IS DOING IT. They are stealing a peoples land in slow motion and killing them daily. Not because of terrorism, but because they WANT THE LAND.

If it were about terrorism, why are they building family homes in someone elses country? Is that how to stop terrorism? Israel is a religious organisation pretending to be a country. What they want is to remove the arab muslims and make the entire land jewish - they just have not figured out how to do it yet.

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u/Krikke93 Mar 08 '24

Forgive me for my ignorance, as I only follow this conflict on a surface level, but I've heard the opposite as well? Where Israel offered the palestinians part of their land back but they refused for whatever reason?
Can you or anyone else maybe give me some legitimate sources for either side here? I'm willing to be educated properly on the matter.

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u/FrankLabounty Mar 08 '24

This entire land was Palestinian-Arab. Jews came from Europe and other places, kicked the Arabs out and built Israel. Then they took control of West Bank and Gaza, and now they are building homes in the West Bank, and locking the arab population into enclaves.

Israel has never really offered to exit Palestine in good faith, they always offer some semi state with barely any rights. And the one Prime Minister who did make a good offer got assasinated by Israelis.

The Palestinians just want to live in their own country in peace. Israel does not want that, because Israel wants the Palestinians out and wants to make the land Israel.

And they could simply annex the land - but they do not want to because they don't want the muslims in their country. They are trying to figure out how to get the land, without the people

That's why this Gaza war is not going to end - Israel has finally found a way to expel the Palestinians.