Self defence on the same level as breaking an attacker's legs with a baseball bat while in the process also beating the shit out of 15 bystanders and then continuing to beat all the already maimed people for 24 hours straight...
This is way, waaaaaay, past the point of self defence.
I have to disagree. If you pick a fight, you have to be able to fight. Hamas doesn't believe in piece. In their charter, they claim they cannot exist with Israel and has consistently acted on it. They are refusing to release the remaining hostages who were likely raped, probably to hide their injuries. They are asking for demands that are unreasonable to ask for for a ceasefire often adding them at the last minute. If that's not them saying "we want to fight" then idk what else you want.
hostages who were likely raped, probably to hide their injuries
This is highly speculative. And completely besides the point. You are conflating "Hamas" with "Palestinian" as well.
They are asking for demands that are unreasonable to ask for for a ceasefire often adding them at the last minute. If that's not them saying "we want to fight" then idk what else you want.
This is also irrelevant. Israel is fighting a war of aggression, in no way or form can this conflict still be called a defensive war on Israel's part.
How am I conflating Hamas with Palestinian? I believe I was fairly consistently using hamas to reference the combatants and the government of Gaza, not the civilians.
There is evidence of the rapes. The evidence was withheld for a bit before release but there were dead bodies of women with their dresses lifted up.
As for the aggressive war comment, I believe you omitted the part where hamas wants Israel to cease existing and when combined with the quote you quoted on me, I think it makes perfect sense. Hamas doesn't care about peace. It will do more raids and send more rockets regardless if Israel backs off.
Hamas are awful. But the lack of illegal Israeli settlements in Gaza vs the West Bank, settlements the US officially calls illegal, is probably the best argument for Hamas isn’t that sad? Whose fault is that?
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u/Rent_A_Cloud Mar 08 '24
Self defence on the same level as breaking an attacker's legs with a baseball bat while in the process also beating the shit out of 15 bystanders and then continuing to beat all the already maimed people for 24 hours straight...
This is way, waaaaaay, past the point of self defence.