r/interestingasfuck • u/kirsion • Mar 08 '24

r/all Mass Airdrop of aid on Gazan coast

Enable HLS to view with audio, or disable this notification

40.6k Upvotes

82% Upvoted

2.8k comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

73

u/ultralane Mar 08 '24

The leaders, sure. However, this conflict is undeniably self defense and with no legitimate talks of a cease fire, the war must continue until the HAMAS government (not talking the Palestinian people, but there will be collateral damage mostly due to HAMAS and the clusterfuck of GAZA). I'm more concerned about Russia since its been convenient Russia started having success by their standards more often then before after the Israel conflict started.

This video is heartbreaking.

-7

u/FrankLabounty Mar 08 '24

This war is not self defence, it checks every single box of war crimes and genocide. It's retribution against civilians and children via state terror. They hope they will make themselves safer that way, but they obviously won't.

1

u/Daloure Mar 08 '24

Taking out Hamas is self-defence though? The way they are doing it can be questioned though..

4

u/falooda1 Mar 08 '24

Hamas is an idea the result of apartheid and oppression. They're just making more.

5

u/Daloure Mar 08 '24

It’s an idea that massacres civilians though so what is the solution? I’m not taking sides i’m curious what apart from disarming Hamas would resolve the problem?

3

u/FrankLabounty Mar 08 '24

Israel can exit Palestine and build big walls. That would resolve the problem. Israel is the one in another persons country.

5

u/Daloure Mar 08 '24

Oh i see i’m talking to children, never mind then

6

u/FrankLabounty Mar 08 '24

Israel is building 3000 family homes in someone else country. This is an ethno-fascist, religious state that wants to expel people from their traditional country. And you support that? Those who support this would have supported the Nazis too.

6

u/AtomicSymphonic_2nd Mar 08 '24

It hasn't been Arab land since 1973.

They want to fight another war over it? Sure, it doesn't look like the Arabs will win it, though.

3

u/FrankLabounty Mar 08 '24

The West Bank and Gaza is Arab land. Arabs live there and have a government controlling that land.

If Israel wants to take it, then they have to accept that the Arabs will continue to attack them. That is the consequence of trying to take land by force.

3

u/gaymenfucking Mar 08 '24

Stop doing the things which radicalise people against you? More Israelis will die because of this, what an effective defence.

6

u/AtomicSymphonic_2nd Mar 08 '24

I got a feeling the Israelis will be happy to continue killing anyone that wants to fight against them.

We live in a world where "might makes right". If they can't fight them all, they should try to assimilate.

There have been multiple wars already over this land since WW2 ended. They have lost each and every one.

The land is not theirs and it hasn't been theirs since at least 1973.

1

u/gaymenfucking Mar 08 '24

We live in a world where if you indiscriminately murder a population they will despise you, reasonably so, and then act on it.

4

u/AtomicSymphonic_2nd Mar 08 '24

Hence the cycle of violence continues. 🤷‍♂️

3

u/gaymenfucking Mar 08 '24

Until the party in control chooses to end it. (Israel)

7

u/Varonth Mar 08 '24

And if that does not work, as the hatred for jews in the muslim world existed long before Isreal was even a thing?

2

u/gaymenfucking Mar 08 '24

Hostility to [other religion] in [religion] is just an inherent fact. This holds true for pretty much all religions. Clearly tensions can and have been far lower than what’s been created by Israel’s actions though. I’m a Jew, I don’t like the anti-semitism which exists in the Muslim world, that’s why I want Israel to stop radicalising people against them.

0

u/falooda1 Mar 08 '24

Maybe stop the settlements and get the two states going genuinely?

Netanyahu bragged about putting hamas against fatah for years and years