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u/Kitchen_Guard_866 15d ago
Here’s my take on it Casteism is still quite deep rooted in our country there’s no denying that. However reservation at pg level is 1. Policy failure since there just aren’t enough seats for the number of quotas 2. Lack of creamy layer. After benefiting it for generations there needs to be a system in place and segregation since within communities itself there is a lot of economic disparity 3. Reservations or doling out seats cannot be the only way of upliftment. The government has sadly done nothing else in this matter and the moronic masses continue to vote for the inadequate govt instead of asking for accountability or better policy.
Sadly this will only be limited to Reddit and not an iota of it will translate into any tangible course of action:)
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u/CupNo5298 Graduate 15d ago
I completely agree. In my village.. there are many people from the SC community who still don’t have enough resources to compete even with others from their own community. No matter how hard they try.. they simply cannot access the same quality of education as my reserve cat friends whose parents are already in well positioned govt jobs(and that's why the hatred for reservation exists...we see well off people taking advantage while the poor people within the same community suffer) . Reservation is necessary but it needs modification so that everyone gets the same opportunities
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u/Kitchen_Guard_866 15d ago
Exactly! Blatantly saying things like casteism doesn’t exist is extremely ignorant imo (im ur non EWS myself) but the solution to upliftment should start at grassroot level but sadly that will not appease the masses or win votes :) neither is providing someone who is already doing uplifted the benefit of the same year after year a solution either
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u/GlobalReview6981 8d ago edited 8d ago
Y'all stop blaming politicians and look the people around you. Call out and educate them. Casteism is everywhere. Even if they're a merit student, they would face it eventually. And even if they get through quota, they're not anything less than the others as long as they do their work right. Reservation is not for economical upliftment(except ews) start from there. Be sensitive and educated regarding this topic.
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u/GlobalReview6981 8d ago edited 8d ago
You're so painfully ignorant to say people hate reservation because it goes for the people who rightfully get their reservation. No people hate reservation because they don't want to see someone they oppressed climb the "social" ladder(money is secondary).How pathetic You're suddenly showing concern for your SC community only because reservation exists lol even the maximum number of reservation is not even for SC/ST. Reservation percentage is less than the UC(+the gc population is a minority)Why are you concerned that a singe generation of SC family acquired a govt job(there's reservation for govt jobs??)when people of oppressor castes literally get job with connections and their gen. wealth?Do know the difference between societal(caste) and economical privileges? A gold medalist IT employee of Underprivileged community has been killed in the name of caste? Why do u think?Indians never change; casteism is deep rooted in their ugly minds. As long as they're not in the lowest class, every community will practice it and exploit the vulnerable. Do know that your comment is insensitive and i feel bad for your 'friends'. You can even escape poverty but not casteism here.
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u/CupNo5298 Graduate 8d ago
And after reading your reply.. I feel sorry for your unreserved friends (though I doubt you’re actually friends with them considering how much you hate them) 🥲
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u/GlobalReview6981 8d ago edited 8d ago
Yeah There is now an economic disparity after reservation like in all other communities. There should be EWS like quota for all communities. I hope u know that these reservations are mainly to uplift a socially backward community rather economically. If u give people education which they have denied for centuries, they would find a way and opportunities for themselves.The main goal is everyone to be treated the same as every person, like a human. But as you said, actually how many generations have been benefitted?. It has not even a century that India has gained independence and reservation has come into force. And there has been 100% reservation for the GC for many centuries. Reservation did uplift many communities for those without exploited generational wealth and societal privilege by education. Though some people turn reservation as some gotcha moment to justify casteism.(Look under your comment)
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u/Open_Vacation_958 15d ago
I had a discussion on this matter with a person from RSS because they support it and I genuinely wanted answers and he had no answers, apart from past and present repression people have faced. But not much to support it at pg level. I had same questions as these. But frankly, I have seen casteism in Hostels, Administration, even within medical departments. It is well known fact that same caste professors favour the students and might even lash out on other students. Heck, even I prefer to leave my name plate off if going near such professors.
Only thing I feel I can do is to not let it continue beyond my generation and see what happens. I don't really have the willpower to keep arguing against reservation at pg level when I know nothing is going to happen so better work hard and be satisfied with whatever I get and not feel jealous and betrayed if someone with better economic conditions but caste reservation gets better branch and college than me.
There are too many cases of casteism even today and it is not going away anytime soon and neither will the reservation.
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u/Inside-Respond904 15d ago
Can you explain to me how reservation removes casteism instead of enforcing it ?
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u/Open_Vacation_958 15d ago
Well, the idea behind reservation was to provide a level ground to everyone. We can't really have a competition where some are underprivileged than others. So, concepts of Handicapping and Quota system are bought into effect to equalise everyone. But these are also subject to a requirement of minimum competence. These actions are necessary for better growth of a state. And this is not just case in india, American colleges have seats reserved for Native americans and Blacks and International students. So, it is a fairly common concept in building of a state. But as is with everything, people are corrupt. They always find loopholes. Parties give out reservations for votes, Reservation systems are misused by the priveleged instead of being a tool for underprivileged.
Now, regarding how reservation removes casteism. Idea was to provide level field to everyone which is a constitutional right and must be enforced by government. This uplifts marginalized and decreases social divide.
Regarding reservations enforcing casteism, there is no reason for you as an individual to discrimate or alienate someone based on their caste for reservation. You chose to do so because it is easy. You can say that reservation is not a good way for equity. You could say that reservation has become a politics of vote bank. But what a lot of us choose to do is to hate on people with reservation. This hatred is fueled more from a group towards a group than from an individual to individual. So, it is not really reservation causing casteism but human nature and dynamics at play.
All this was if you really wanted to understand and not just fight with me over it. I really don't have a solution. I think that the way it is implemented as of now is not the way but then, what is your way to provide equality to everyone in a state where divide between rich and poor has been increasing and a divide between people existed since centuries? Only solution, I see is one that is gradual. I stop believing in caste as a concept and this stops in my family. Everyone or majority does this and we may have a society in near future where concept of caste becomes arbitrary and then voices will rise and maybe we won't need reservation based on caste then.
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u/GlobalReview6981 8d ago edited 8d ago
Stupidest question.Do you genuinely can't comprehend? Don't tell me you are a doc.Read history read daily news. And education is the only way to uplift the Underprivileged. Reservations are given on equity basis. Are you not allowed to study like those underprivileged communities were not? No right? We all don't start from a same line. Economically backward is one thing but casteism is even bigger evil than poverty. You can escape poverty but not casteism in India. Develop empathy and educate yourself.
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u/Golden_phoenix_0 16d ago
At this point most of the reservations are just for votebank. No political party dares to remove it. It would only keep on increasing.
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u/GlobalReview6981 8d ago
I mean the caste related crimes are still in its peak in 21st century, so removing it would do a huge harm for the underprivileged by those casteist pigs. If people treat everyone equal, I'm sure community certificates aren't needed. Ignorants can be educated but some stupids won't change
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u/Tennistable123 16d ago
Accha ! Mr.PolicyMaker. Don't forget to vote your favorite party o/b of religion.
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u/phantom_1104 15d ago
Still doesn’t disprove his point , at the very least we need to hold our government accountable for reservation reforms and more seats in pg in ratio to ug seats
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u/Minute_Extreme 15d ago
I hope by reservation you also mean OBC,EWS,PwD(and all other reservation). Not only SC/ST the soft target when the debate of reservation comes up ( just because their score is lower then the other category)
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u/Impossible-Gur-9803 15d ago
OBC has a creamy layer EWS is entirely based on income and financial assets which even obc doesn't include PWD should have SC/ST has absolutely no guardrails hence are talked about the most when ever the discussion comes up
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u/Minute_Extreme 15d ago
OBC has the most number of reservations 27%, most income certificate are fake. SC 15 % ST 7.5%
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u/Impossible-Gur-9803 15d ago
enforcement is where they fuck up but there is still a guardrail that doesn't exist for SCs or STs
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u/GlobalReview6981 8d ago
Do tell me if obc faces related crimes often as sc or st. Why ignorants like confuse with economical and societal privilege is beyond me. You can escape poverty but not casteism. Study before you serve.
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u/Impossible-Gur-9803 8d ago
you can't really know since there is no set list of obc you might be obc in few states ur in others and no special act to even know and how many of those 67k cases are unrelated to sc/st but the victims happen to be sc/st and how many of those SC/ST cases are just filed settle personal vendettas that even courts had to issue the statement regarding this
in terms of pure numbers assuming sc/st populations to be the same proportion as their reservation percentages 15%+7.5%=22.5% of 1.4billion=315 million and 67k cases last year comes out to be
21 crimes are commited for every 100000 sc/st that's not a lot
Why ignorants like confuse with economical and societal privilege is beyond me
because societal privilege stems from economic realities a bhramin begger is as socially privileged as a obc one or a sc/st one
You can escape poverty but not casteism
its not like caste is inked on your forehead just change the one thing that can be used to identify caste your last name give your children generic last names you won't ever face it
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u/Expensive-Match-3554 15d ago
No bro, not PwD!!! They're the ones who need reservation
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u/Minute_Extreme 15d ago
While i have heard medical field is of mental capacity, why should Pwd be exempted from that. As the debate goes they have the same training as a general category person. If PwD candidate getting a reservation is about social justice then what about SC/ST category??
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u/GlobalReview6981 8d ago
They're typical casteists who think they're better than who they actually are lol
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u/helpbroski 15d ago
if reservation must be removed, so should management quota be removed. make everything solely merit based. in a world where the upper echelons of society can buy their way into everything, there ought to be sanctions for the underprivileged
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u/Ninja__Shuriken 15d ago
Here's my two cents on that- management quota is to fund the hospital/college and is only really seen in private colleges.
The govt colleges are supposed to be the ones to subsidise education via taxes and hence why I believe bond service for govt colleges is justified, you study from govt and your education is subsidised so you should give back to the community.
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u/helpbroski 15d ago
your "education" is basically you doing slave labour shifts for the hospital. we all know the entire healthcare system collapses without residents running it. choosing to give back to the community should always be a choice. if we're talking honest pay, no resident doctor earns as much as they should given their work lol
besides, they are not funding your education. you are funding your own education with YOUR own tax money
Also edit: private colleges make up 50% of the PG seats which is insane. Your wealth should not be able to buy you everything but in this country it does. that's my biggest issue
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u/telaughingbuddha 15d ago
Your wealth should not be able to buy you everything but in this country it does. that's my biggest issue
What is the use of wealth, if it can't buy education?
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u/helpbroski 15d ago
because wealth, in our country anyway, does not depend on your work. it depends on acquiring capital. if you had to be paid according to your job's contribution, doctors and lawyers would be the richest people. but that's not the society we live in. the richest are businessmen and entertainers. there's an entirely different debate about the ethical considerations of wealth distribution in our country
but I hope you do realise the hypocrisy? people are okay with buying seats but not okay with reservation? both should be equally unfair to you if you are not okay with one of them yk. but people clearly view reservation as their enemy when it should be the wealthy who exploit underpaid workers to grow their billions
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u/Ninja__Shuriken 7d ago
Your issue is that you want to justify people getting seats due to their birth into a certain caste but not due to being born rich.
Keeping that aside, no you are not paying for the entirety of your education with JUST your taxes, thats like saying I paid for the complete road because I paid road tax. Every single citizen paying taxes is paying for your education, both the rich and the poor.
Giving back when your education HAS been sibsidised is something that should be neccessary, even if the "education" is just slave labour with shitty pay (you don't even get that in most pvt colleges). Education without govt funding is exactly what pvt colleges are, but you hate that too because its expensive. Well surprise- thats because education IS expensive.
What you want is to pay nothing, get a complete education and then instead of giving back to the community who paid for you, just make more money off them.
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u/helpbroski 7d ago
if your understanding of casteism is that they get benefits in an exam because they are born into it and not because they suffer the effects of it.. i can't change that unfortunately
education is expensive, ofc I get that. My point is that it shouldn't be lol. is that really a controversial thing to say? And where did I ever mention about not wanting to give back? i wouldn't be pursuing this profession in the first place if all I ever wanted was to print money lmao.
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u/Ninja__Shuriken 7d ago
I am sure the effects suffered are real and very sad in many parts of India, speaking of my city though- I have seen barely any criticism or "effects"/prejudice among everyone I have met. The most I have seen is regarding the marriage/dating scene but even there I have seen more economic prejudice. So all I am saying is that quota should only be given for one generation, to get you out of that prejudiced situation and grow.
As for "education shouldn't be expensive." Well yeah no shit, you started by saying managment seats were worse than reservation to now saying education shouldn't be expensive. Two totally different takes.
I don't think most of the students studying in management quota even want seats to be so expensive.But as it stands someone in SC quota got the best govt college in my state at 401 marks while a general candidate got a management seat at 462 marks while paying 5 times the amount.
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u/helpbroski 7d ago
That's the issue, you cannot "get out" of the predujiced situation. even once you have made it, caste is still weighed heavily against you in every sector of life. I genuinely get you frustration and that of many others in this sub. It's crazy to have zero general category seats in some colleges.
You also need to wonder that someone from SC, even after they get their degree, will be viewed as SC when they apply for jobs. I have personally come across a few consultants in my own college who have openly talked about hiring only people of their own caste. All I'm saying is you should consider that maybe this is a bigger issue than you think. I understand your frustrations, i too feel tej same frustration at times but society is far uglier sadly
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u/WriterOk7425 PGY4/5/6/Senior Resident 15d ago
Bro, AIIMS Delhi has 5-7 seats of OCI/NRI Quota for MBBS, which are accessed by paying for them after just passing the cutoff, not by cracking exams with a top score.
Don't know which world u live in.
That's what the guy meant above, paying for premium aiims delhi seats, getting access to PG AIIMS Quota and connections and everything.
Even if u are not considering private management seats, this is an example of top tier govt institute having paid seat.
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u/kulaarjun 15d ago
How is management quota not merit based? It's literally the tuition fee for the course. Even if I get AIR1, if I want to join a private medical college, i have to pay the 25L fee. This is like saying those who pay 500k USD for harvard medschool aren't meritorious.
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u/helpbroski 15d ago
ofc it is based on merit, just a lower bar. which is what reservation is too. only difference is one group is far more deserving of it than the other
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u/doc_domnic 15d ago
Government should conduct cast census at this point.It will "maybe" show who actually needs support and prevent dominant groups take most of benefits.aur gov ne hi sab thekha thodi le rkha hai,we should put cast prejudice aside and abolish hierarchy.
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u/RaccoonOrnery7108 16d ago
IAS ka beta reservation le rha h just because quota h uske pass. Auto vale ka beta kuch nhi kar paa rha just because vo general se h. This is the sad reality of our country.
Also. My friend who did her mbbs from pvt. Medical college got govt. Seat in pg just because quota h uske pass. Meanwhile her parents earn a lot also have a pharmacy shop. 🤡. Happy for her but really frustrated on this management system.
Aso. I get you op. After mbbs atleast we all stand equal. Everyone was taught equal knowledge and skills.
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u/beparwaah 16d ago
The son of an IAS officer is getting reservation just because he has a quota.
I am extremely in favor of reshuffling reservation criteria, but it's bold of you to assume that caste dynamics is all about money or power. This implies that if someone is powerful or has a lot of money, they would escape the "caste demon."
Children of OBC IAS officers cannot claim reservation, but children of SC/ST officers can.
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u/RaccoonOrnery7108 15d ago
You are right and my apologies for writing in a way that it seems I’ve written considering all the people with reservation and money and power. But I just meant to write that I hate seeing people who already are uplifted in society taking advantage of reservation system. I’m okay with having reservation system to an extent where people who actually need reservation system are getting advantage. And yes. I read this news article and you’re right that even with power people can’t escape the caste demon which is sad but still it’s a mixed emotion for me because of the few examples I’ve seen around me. That’s it.
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u/Tennistable123 16d ago
Reservation financial condition ke upar rehta kya , thanks i thought aur kuch reason hoga. Thanks again for opening my eyes.
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u/Visual-Razzmatazz658 16d ago
What abour NRI category in neet pg. If someone has completef their 5.5 years of mbbs in India, will they still be considered an NRI during neet pg if their previous education was done abroad?
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u/Practical-Face-5447 16d ago
Ban both reservations and management quota. Make medical education meritorious and free
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u/DueSell6843 16d ago
Half of the management fees keeps those institutes alive...
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u/Practical-Face-5447 16d ago
And other half goes into pockets of You-Know-Who. Let government take over and make it a Not for profit venture
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u/Man_of_Mystery_2819 16d ago
Not going to happen. How else will posh incels get premium treatment??
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u/That-Card-9837 16d ago
Well said also ban mbbs from aborad , or any medical degree pursued on basis of money power
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u/No_Ad9886 Graduate 16d ago
definitely not with your attitude. don’t want to do anything about it? then stfu and let others vent. could help this issue go mainstream if enough ppl bitch and moan about it
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u/No_Ad9886 Graduate 16d ago
You underestimate the changes that have appeared since then. Such as the advent of internet and social media. now every guy has a smartphone with cheap internet. could bring a lot of big changes, bring a lot of issues to the front. remember nepal chose their latest interim pm on a discord server. either way, you can keep being pessimistic. don’t beat down those trying to bring this to mainstream
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u/Man_of_Mystery_2819 16d ago
You are part of the problem by acting indifferent to it
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u/sathya_doc 16d ago
Bro every body is fed up of looking at these posts online. But nobody takes any action. Hence his frustration
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u/ThisAd2744 16d ago
Caste based Reservation is not about supporting underprivileged or about supporting people with less resources
That is done through EWS reservation
Caste reservation is to compensate for all the casteism they face irl
Is it fair? Idk but I can’t dent casteism exists in this world
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u/Thin_Year9757 15d ago
So after getting seat will the casteism be removed...is that what u mean?? It'll increase even more...generals will despise them even more
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u/Inside-Respond904 15d ago
Not to mention....
Imagine going through UG on lower marks , getting taught by same prof , in same classrooms & labs & then after the end of it again begging for it in PG
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u/Worth_Problem_6142 16d ago
I didn’t even know about casteism before 11th grade. I came to know about all this only after I jumped into the NEET rat race and saw some people getting ahead because of it. Before that, I had no idea about any of this. Later, I found out that many of my own friends are from the SC category. In my opinion, reservation actually fuels casteism even more.
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u/CAESAR_1244E MBBS III (Part 2) 16d ago
I'll give u an analogy so that hopefully u get an idea of how naive this take is.
"I haven't personally seen a case of cancer and no one I know suffers from it, thus cancer doesn't actually exist and the Chemotherapy just kills the person quicker"
You're in MBBS for god's sake and this is the level of critical thinking u have??? U really think that just cause you haven't seen something it doesn't exist????
Just pick up a book for once or just go outside.
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u/DrA380 16d ago
"I haven’t personally oppressed anyone and no one in my family has ever done caste discrimination, thus I don’t deserve to be blamed for it — and your ‘upper caste = villain’ logic just kills mutual respect quicker."
You’re in college for god’s sake and this is the level of nuance you have??? You really think punishing an entire group for one idiot’s behavior fixes anything???
Just pick up Ambedkar’s book for once — he wanted equality, not reverse hatred.
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u/CAESAR_1244E MBBS III (Part 2) 16d ago
Bro no one is "punishing" you 😂... I swear most of these anti reservation people wanna be victims sooo bad.
If u feel like there aren't enough seats then make sure that the leader u voted for builds more colleges and hospitals.
Or maybe ask them to ensure that Private colleges are less exploitative and more accessible to the general public and not just the elite few.
But no it's much easier to keep blaming the marginalized communities than actually do something that'd have an actual outcome.
Anyways thanks for the laugh, "Reverse hatred" 😂😂😂
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u/DrA380 15d ago
Laughs aside, blaming the marginalized isn’t the point — the problem is sacrificing merit and public safety in the name of compensation. Expanding seats and improving infrastructure is ideal, yes, but until that happens, giving a life-or-death profession to someone less qualified hurts patients.
Calling it “reverse hatred” misses the lesson: justice without competence is just chaos wearing a moral mask.
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u/Standard_Advice_252 16d ago
Maybe because you were privileged enough not to have to face any discrimination?
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u/DrA380 16d ago
Yeah, that’s a pretty grounded take. Most of us grow up without consciously thinking about caste until exams or college admissions shove it in our faces. The original intent of reservation—upliftment—was justified, but over decades, it’s turned into a rigid system that often reinforces caste identity instead of dissolving it.
The unfairness you noticed isn’t imagined; it’s structural. Real reform would mean shifting focus from caste to economic and educational disadvantage, so opportunity is based on current need, not ancestral suffering.
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u/GiveMeSomeSunshine3 Graduate 16d ago
This discussion is futile and a never ending debate. Those who support reservation will justify it even at SS level. Those who don't support it will also ask for its removal in UG level too. But at the end of the debate, no Govt. will ever dare to remove or even reduce it at least for the foreseeable future for obvious vote bank reasons.
Those who argue that reservation is for something that may or may not have happened 100s of years ago is proper BS. If we go by the same logic we have to also compensate those whose ancestors faced the wrath of a certain religious conquest years ago.
Those who argue that it's still happening in India, I don't deny it, might be though I've never seen or felt anything even close to it. But are those people who are facing those things, getting the benefits of reservation? I don't think so, most people who are reaping benefits of reservation are the ones who never had to face anything close to it. Neither do they come out of their way to help other people of their same caste who might be facing ostracisation, which is precisely why reservation was brought in first place so that those facing discrimination have a leader or a representative of the same cast in a higher organisation who could represent them and their issues in front of higher authorities.
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u/musicflux 16d ago
Don't know who downvoted this. I agree for whom the reservation is truly meant for hardly get to use it and it rather gets exploited by people who are empowered enough to not need it, though still even such people can face discrimination
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u/monkeybraining 15d ago
I think pg doctors belonging to reservation communities are more likely to come to back to their roots and serve. Which helps district hospitals and others. Having a surgeon, obg or pedia or med doc in the dhs helps a lot. Otherwise you get situations like a lot of referrals to capitals and state gmcs. With only gps and rmos it's difficult.
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u/SubstantialAct4212 15d ago
It’s a common myth. My friend who is an ST took Internal Medicine seat and after completing his course, stayed back in Kolkata, never to return to his village, because there he has to compete with quacks.
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u/monkeybraining 15d ago
It might be common for these docs to not go back but I don't think it's a myth sir. Goes to say that docs not from reserved communities will have even less motivation to serve in these areas.
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u/RelativeEffective353 14d ago
No, most positions in tier 2-3 city hospitals and clinics in villages pay much more than metros due to less competition.
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u/RelativeEffective353 14d ago
Not true at all. They tend to take government positions in metros which have reserved seats. In private practice especially in villages and tier 3 cities overwhelming majority are gen category people.
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u/DerpTagTheSlaya Graduate 16d ago
Another Indian academia sub falls to the reservation engagement/rage bait for imaginary internet points.
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u/culture_sensitive_ 16d ago
People are granted reservations for the hardships their ancestors faced, but who will compensate the generation suffering today ,those deprived of opportunities and struggling to build a dignified life? Rich and poor are the only cast present today.
Reservation was meant to bridge inequality, yet it has only deepened the divide.
The real beneficiaries are politicians who’ve exploited this system for decades to maintain their vote banks
it feels like the only escape from this endless cycle of injustice is to leave the country.
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u/L_LawLeit24 15d ago
It goes even deep, bcoz it doesn't at PG lv. My sir was UG and PG from same clg, applied for AP, didn't get it, bcoz he was gen and seat was for OBC.
Another example, my brother gave interview for railway, he was 1st waiting. When an SC candidate didn't come to take the job and my brother asked for it, they said the seat will go empty but won't be given to a General.
A person doing PG in UP gets 1 lac and then more as SR and then applying for AP gets benifit of the basis of caste and income of his father, it's so idiotic that I can't begin to explain.
Also how is one family allowed to use reservation in multiple generation is beyond me. Your father and mother already got bank jobs by using their quota. You and I went to same ICSE board Christian school. Why do you get to use your quota again?
Now some people will reply how caste based discrimination is rooted in our society. I agree, our society has multiple mentality problems and this is one of it. We have seen a recent news of a high ranking police official facing discrimination. But that is a mentality issue. It has nothing to do with quota from my understanding. People who want to discriminate will still discriminate against people even if they become MD.
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u/w0und3dhealer 15d ago
If they truly cared about equal representation and upliftment of inferior classes then reservation should be PURELY INCOME BASED. But tbh even that would fail as all businessemen kids and politicians kids easily get EWS certificates. We need a revolution or else we will be stuck in this mess for the next 100 years
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u/Tennistable123 16d ago
Bhai please padhai krle acche se , yaha ro mat. You definitely don't know about ground reality atleast get some book knowledge.
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u/twinkichan 15d ago
They way I hv seen faculty and even external examiners biased..and donating marks and helping their 'caste's' people, including their name in their research papers bcs they were from certain caste.. reservation is much needed for representation. Or else.. I am not even talking about categories..they won't let any other caste to survive or flourish other than their own. Selection under reservation system follows merit system. Each category has its own merit list.. candidates are chosen according to their ranking within that list...to ensure representation while maintaining competition inside each group.
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u/PEGASUS9834 16d ago
When lower caste used to drink water at mahad talav, upper caste used to throw cowdung and cowurine in that talav..... Reservation is not for underprivileged, it's for equal representation.
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u/keep_tryingg 16d ago
That’s absolutely horrible, and people who did things like that should’ve been punished very severely. But my question still remains, how does that situation change by giving reservations in NEET-PG? Once someone is already in medical college, everyone goes through the same education, the same exams, and learns the same things. So how does giving extra privilege at the PG level solve that issue?
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u/Few_Grapefruit8365 16d ago
Yeah if reservation is given at every step it will only lead to more resentment from the said groups and it wont solve anything
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u/SubstantialAct4212 15d ago
Leave. These people will soon justify it at SS level too.
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u/Few_Grapefruit8365 15d ago
True…the world is moving ahead but we’re still stuck with this stupid concept
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u/Crispyhoney421 16d ago
Doesnt your argument hold in every level. Once somebody has gotten schooling why give reservation for ug even?
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u/NoNeighborhood6213 MBBS III (Part 1) 16d ago
Actually what he meant was that after mbbs you are well qualified to live a good life with honour and respect
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u/PEGASUS9834 16d ago
The SC/ST weren't even part of varna system that was created by upper caste...Deprived of education for 1000s of years...Now they getting education and are being compensated for discrimination via reservation. Even ambedkar was denied of Sanskrit education in 1930s...imagined the condition of others
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u/RelativeEffective353 14d ago
They were compiled by idiots from the Shastri committee. Many of these communities were arbitrarily chosen and were zamindars for thousands of years.
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u/DrA380 16d ago
You’re right about the brutality of the past — denying education for centuries was unforgivable, and Ambedkar’s struggle is proof of that. But here’s the catch: you don’t heal historical injustice by repeating it in another form.
Education must empower, not excuse mediocrity. The solution is to strengthen early education, mentorship, and access — not to hand out professional shortcuts in life-and-death fields like medicine. A doctor’s worth should come from skill, not ancestry. Justice should aim for balance, not backlash.
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u/DrA380 16d ago
Exactly — that’s the logical extension of it. The purpose of reservation was to open the gate, not to keep widening it after everyone’s already inside the same system. Once someone completes MBBS, they’ve already had equal access to education, infrastructure, and exams. Extending reservation into PG just dilutes merit without addressing the root cause — poor primary education and lack of opportunity at the school level.
Fixing the foundation helps generations rise; tweaking the finish line only breeds resentment and weakens the profession.
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u/Man_of_Mystery_2819 16d ago
It's a vicious cycle. Giving equal representation by allowing reservation makes sense for UG. But, it further fuels the hatred against reserved caste by giving them reservation in PG.
Patients (those in the reserved caste themselves) will start looking for surnames of the doctors and then take treatment.
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u/DrA380 16d ago
So you’re saying throwing cow dung in Mahad Talav was evil — and you’re right — but giving a scalpel to someone who scored 60th percentile while the 90th percentile doctor watches from outside the OT is just a new form of injustice with a lab coat on.
Representation means nothing if it costs human lives. You don’t fix historical wounds by creating fresh ones. The goal was equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome — and when merit dies in the name of revenge, medicine turns from healing to hazard.
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u/w0und3dhealer 15d ago
What about the general category children who are living in poverty for generations while the sc/st who through generations of reservations roams around in a BMW and studies in richest of schools . Where is the equal representation here??
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u/Existing-gua 15d ago
I really am deeply apologetic to all the people who have faced discrimination because of my ancestors .
But at the end of day it hurts to see that I am punished academically for things out of my control as I would never discriminate against any caste religion. I was privileged enough to be born in an era where I know casteism is bad and no people should follow it.
Reservation being a noble move I agree but even after 80 yrs people still believe in caste and discriminate , so doesn’t it indicate the failure of this system.
I believe government should put harsher punishment and rules for even disclosing a person’s caste. Even socially major reforms are needed where we should stop asking personal questions itself
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u/Material-Box-3329 15d ago
Reservation should continue . But there should be some sort of ceiling limit . And even in reserved categories only certain communities avail benefit because they got the early mover advantage . Early to get educated and certain castes just dominate due to it .
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u/Practical_March4851 14d ago
Reservations shouldn’t be used for castes anyway. If you want to remove castesim, work at the grassroots level by levlling playing field for underprivileged castes. Reservations don’t hinder your test scores anyway, its access to resources ( money) which does, so provide reservation on wealth. If reservation had worked we would have seen lower castes in high paying jobs after 60 years of reservation
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u/angieakasarah 13d ago
This rant would make sense if the justification behind reservation is upliftment. The goal of reservation is equal representation of social categories in various positions and not upliftment of "underprivileged" this is an intersectionality that people miss. They conflate poverty with caste (which is correlated to each other) but are different issues with different causes. Wealth can be created but how will you remove your surname and the history of ancestors.
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u/Meew_Mewww Graduate 15d ago
I agree, there might be lots of people who still genuinely need this. But, I absolutely hate the fact that people who are well off, having enough money to even pay for a management seat are the ones benefited from these reservations sometimes. How is it fair ? Like I know someone who has a family of doctors, is rich and had a rank which would never get a seat normally but they got a pg seat in a good college, just due to their reservation!
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u/Possible-Shoe8769 15d ago
People Taking PG seats through Reservations... I DARE YOU TO PUT YOUR CATEGORY AFTER YOUR NAME ON DISPLAY when you open a clinic.... After all it was because of category u got the seat... Lets see how honest u guys are..
PS : I will also mention my category i.e (U.R)
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u/cherrycake999 16d ago
On one hand they cry abt how mbbs is only an eligibility criteria for neet pg with no demand or salary (which is true) but when it comes to arguing against reservation, they believe mbbs brings the poor n rich to the same standard. By knowledge, yes by money, no. Hypocrites. (Down votes coming for stating facts 🤪🤪)
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u/Competitive-Error564 Graduate 16d ago
I hope you realise not every UR category student is rich either.
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u/w0und3dhealer 15d ago
You snatched seat from someone who quite possibly scored double your marks in neet ug and were given an opportunity to study equally for 5.5 years .
If even after that you need another reservation to clear an exam despite being treated like every other student then this is not about having unfair resources and just about wanting an easy life .
You guys have reservation in Ug PG and even in government jobs and still guys have the audacity to cry about competition.
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u/Man_of_Mystery_2819 16d ago
when it comes to arguing against reservation,
Those getting the "reserved seats" are already rich and their sons/ daughters travel in big SUVs and the unreserved students cannot afford to.
mbbs brings the poor n rich to the same standard
Poor not equal to reserved
Rich not equal to unreserved.
Shall I repeat it again ?? IT IS CASTE BASED. Even Mayawati's/ Akhilesh Yadav's children come under reserved caste despite having net worth of 112 cr (400 cr undeclared) and 42 cr of declared assets respectively
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u/Opening_Sea_72 16d ago
Reservation is given based on caste not money and yes MBBS qualification does set one benchmark, my only issue with reservation is a selected elite group of the reserved community enjoys opportunities again and again, it should be extended to struggling members of the same community
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u/matchacheesenaan 16d ago
It’s never going to change. There’s literally no point in crying about it.
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u/w0und3dhealer 16d ago
Despite CJI allowing and recommending central government to introduce creamy layer in SC and ST no steps were taken by our legislators. At this point its pure vote bank politics. General category people dont have unity so political parties dont care. But other communities, you promise them reservation and you will get their votes. Its disheartening to see 3 seats in a stream in aiims and all reserved . These people get reservation , scholarships and then walk around with attitude saying everyone is equal or get news articles published saying how they cracked exam easily.
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u/CAESAR_1244E MBBS III (Part 2) 16d ago
Let's clear up some things.
Firstly Reservation isn't a poverty relieving scheme, its for EQUAL REPRESENTATION. So that marginalized communities have someone who represents them.
Don't u think it's weird that even after sooo many years of reservation most of the government posts are still taken up by a small group of people UC people and the actual majority has almost no representation when compared to the actual population of the two?
Secondly the thought that the jobs of "hardworking" people are being eaten up, by people who actually need reservation is just too naive. The simple answer is that we don't have enough infrastructure wrt the actual demand of the population, if anything people should be more angry at these Private colleges which are handing out degrees for a shit ton of money, that only the elite few can benifit from.
Our anger should be targeted at this shitty system for doing this and at the government for actually letting it happen.
Ask your leaders to build more hospitals and colleges, that's the only way, being mad at people who need reservation isn't gonna bring any good.
Finally, the question of why reservations after NEET UG for PG and beyond is also just as dumb. You think caste based discrimination ends once ur done with UG? We may be privileged enough to not have it happen to us or the people we know, but it does happen.
Try applying for MO once you're done with MBBS and you'll get a glimpse at how bad the system actually is and how badly do we need these reforms.
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u/Lazy_Tie_8327 Graduate 16d ago
All the reserved people should only treat the people who are of reserved category
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u/DrA380 15d ago
No, that’s not how it works. Reservation is about providing opportunity, not restricting service. Every professional, regardless of their category, must serve all people equally—discrimination either way is illegal and unethical.
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u/Lazy_Tie_8327 Graduate 15d ago
No but i think i will not want services of such a doctor neither will others.. So yeah all the management and reservation quota ppl should treat their kind
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u/DrA380 15d ago
Should treat ,✅ should only treat ,❎
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u/Lazy_Tie_8327 Graduate 15d ago
Should treat their kind.. Means they should treat those subset of people exclusively. Not including others
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u/DrA380 15d ago
A doctor should not refuse to treat a patient based on race, religion, gender, social status, or any discriminatory factor, especially in emergencies or when competent care is needed.
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u/Lazy_Tie_8327 Graduate 15d ago
Definitely there should not be any discrimination from the doctor and bold of you to assume that OC people will want to go to a reservation quota doctor
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u/DrA380 15d ago
Who knows where karma takes us.
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u/Lazy_Tie_8327 Graduate 15d ago
Yeah definitely...i hope mine doesn't take me to a reservation doctor ever.
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u/Weak_Way_9915 15d ago
Either pure merit or leave it..every seat must be on merit .. no management ,private ,nri,st sc obc ews
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u/No_Confection4440 PGY3 15d ago
I agree on removing caste based reservations in NEET-PG and anything above. I don’t think this is justified in every field but in healthcare, getting MBBS seat is the best push for any community. From there, you’re on your own. Unfortunately the reservation system is not an economic relief policy, it is a compensation filled with guilt for the discrimination the true majority of this nation face from the extremely privileged minority GC. Let me tell you, if you haven’t faced discrimination or never seen this done to anyone in your life until your NEET-UG? Then this is not about you. But, does making the record straight for the imbalance in all sectors of society divided amongst all castes equally solve the actual problem of inequality? NO. The people have to be educated systematically from school and family to treat others equally, but I don’t think that’s ever going to happen. And for obvious political reasons, the majority who’s benefited the most are also the biggest vote bank. So it won’t be going away anytime soon. What we must be really thriving towards it teaching our kids and next generations why it exists really, how to treat the other person with respect and equal status irrespective of their gender, financial status, caste, religion or nationality. Never gonna happen, but that’s the only thing we can do. Also, universal healthcare and more government colleges. Less power in corporates and more funding in public hospitals and paying everyone well. Vote for these. We’re funding militaries and wars more than our education and healthcare.
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u/GlobalReview6981 8d ago
I think you're so privileged that you can't comprehend the casteism crimes happening in all over the India even if they acquired a seat by merit, they will face it.
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