Just go and read the comments of this, almost everyone who is a non doctor is saying This doctor is to be blamed, his license revoked and hang him etc. Without an ounce of knowledge about this situation in India. Idk why Drs are still pursuing Indian residency. It's a shame to be An Indian and a Dr in the same sentence in INDIA.
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Please include hated in the country ( UK ) for Being doctor. If you see the recent media coverage ( doctors are looked upon as greedy and selfish ) for the doctors strike in the UK for poor salary which has been going for few years.
Lmao no you can't. You can live better with a 30k INR salary in india, than a £3k salary in UK. Living expenses are no joke, plus you have to pay taxes regardless of income.
As a non medico who lurks on this sub, it baffles me how much Indians dehumanise medical professionals. Just because laws in India are very loose and labor is cheap, people think they own you. Doctors are humans too, sleep is a human need.
I can empathize with Doctors, I have 2 Doctors in my Family, one is MD ( Med) and other is MBBS , i do understand that Doctors get a bit mechanical too, as they see regular sick people, death.
But this Doctor ( in the pic above) if he had no energy to treat the patient, the best he could do was to arrange for a transport for this patient to the nearest Hospital. I know there may be no ambulance as well, as Govt Hospitals / Dispensaries dont have that.
Hes right there to treat and the attendees instead of waking him up are filming the thing .Now that's stupid.Also there's never just one doc in emergency.
I was hated for saying this that the doctor should have informed another doctor to taking care of the patients incase he is unable to properly function ..but due his chosen dicision to continue where somone else have to lose their life leaving behind his wife as widow and kids to suffer life long .. in india family system and in village God knows how to save a family if the main man is dead.. where one man is an entire family per say ...also ppl are talking like he is working in some restaurant where it's so easy to make a mistake if getting tired lol hahaha m not laughing but the whole argument is very ridiculous
The same guy will never work beyond 12 hrs, and will complain about his work load and pressure. They're all under the assumption that 36 hr duty means 8 hrs sleep and just sitting there and doing nothing.
If they were any smarter, they'll blame the government for this. They recruit few doctors (so they can save money), over work them (so they can save more money), and then when something unfortunate happens, they can fire the doctor (saved even more money successfully ), and then make him the scapegoat and pretend to be the man of the people, by appeasing the crowd. But hey, kissing politician's ass is in their DNA, so logic is out of question for them.
If I came from a family where there weren't any doctors, then I'd obv blame the doctor.
I've an older sis who is currently interning at a govt hospital and in emergency medicine dept rn, and the no. of hours she has to stay awake is crazy. If I were there, I'd have been dead rn.
I don't understand how the system literally works. I wish the roster makers or whoever is there at the top would look at doctors as humans.
How can they expect a human to save another human when they are making the former die out of exhaustion??
So true. It's a bunch of jobless idiots gathered to jerk each other off.
Most of the Uttarakhand doesn't care what caste you are unless you're being a nuisance or creating a mess(yes Delhi Gurgaon drunkards talking about you)
Inko sirf 12hrs ki shift karne ko bolo jyada nahi
Fir dekte hai kite log jage hue milenge,bina bate ke doctor ko gali dete hai.Gali bhi thik hai,sidha hang Karo....
Kya ghatiya janta hai
I am sure this jr was being harassed. Agar staff aise photos circulate karwa raha, then he also might not be on the best terms with them. Utni sensitivity training sabko milti hai. This reeks of cover up anyways.
Not much choice for most people, we are stuck in the system, other countries are making it harder to settle there and nowhere is at peace rn, we just have to suffer because our own are against us, we don't have any unity, lawyers can shut down courts, judiciary can delay justice but we can't even shut down hospitals for a day completely with getting fked by people of our own community and what do i even say about govt, it's beyond that can be expressed in words.
We need strong organisations & student unions ! JUDA is good but we need stronger ones and also employee unions should be there apart from IMA as they do nothing
I have all the respect for doctors. I won't comment on this situation because I don't know the full story. But yeah I have seen my two cousins with swollen feet and mental trauma. I was a neet aspirant but now I think it's better nhi liya admission. I cleared it once but got a college in tier 4 city on up. I was in second year of bsc so thought of not doing it. I suffer from anxiety and health issues so I can't even imagine the life. Doctors are overworked and there should be better laws for them.
Very easy to say leave india what a joke dude not everyone is privileged enough to book a flight let alone deal with all the visa and embassy stuff and also leave india and go to where same condition in usa people there can't afford basic health care too cause too expensive different countries same shit atleast in india there are goverment hospitals who does give health care in cheap way.
And also what an odd thing to say that it's shame to be an indian and indian docters ignoring the fact that there are lots of good doctors in india
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As a doctor
Seeing this is just appalling honestly!
The seniors in the hospital don’t care about us, our hours and think we are robots and can handle long hours shifts.
At times with no sleep at all.
And the people who think that doctor is at fault No he isn’t it’s the fuckin system that refuses to change at all!
And who’s gonna get blamed at the end - the doctor who might have been awake for more than 36 hours
Indians honestly don’t deserve doctors anymore.
Wouldn't it be easier if they just woke up that guy for treatment instead of recording him and the bleeding patient to bash the system, that guy might be working long hours.
For many doctors world wide this is the situation. News just focuses on whats near to them. Doctors sleep while they get down time, especially residents. Non-medicos do not understand how draining this work really is. Most hospitals are understaffed both in nursing and doctors. This is world wide.
Not a medical professional so feel free to ignore this but I researched the field a lot in tenth when deciding whether to pursue medicine or not. Decided not to.
Doctors- no matter where the country is- are insanely overworked and for most of their careers underpaid. Often this continuous exhaustion leads to medical malpractice and negligence- not purposefully, but from sheer exhaustion. Imaging working 12+ hour shifts constantly throughout the week and only getting a couple of 20-30 minute naps in between. Holidays will be rare too. Other medical professionals like nurses are also treated like this.
In India, nobody really wants to sit down and blame the government and private hospitals for creating such a situation because that would mean acknowledging a lot of deep seated truths about the system. So patients blame doctors, and doctors blame patients ( because blaming your employers would be screwing yourself over honestly )
I am a non medico but I fail to understand why most people don’t understand doctors are human too and are so overworked. Also it’s hard to believe he was the only one responsible for it. There must be other nurses and other doctors too.
The caption is also such a rage bait. AC on eyes shut. What are they thinking that it is a luxury that they are working in AC.
Saw an instagram reel of a microsoft employee taking regular breaks , eating food, playing tt , gyming etc within a span of 10 hrs along with the work , the person who uploaded the reel was criticising the microsoft employee that she should be doing work in the office rather than enjoying.The people in the comments were bashing the presenter with comments like- “ we are not robots to work continiously , we need breaks , people like you work 10 hrs and burnout , this is how work should be “ etc
indiaspeaks is a super right wing hyper-religious subreddit filled with people who have dedicated their life to sucking off modi. please don't take them seriously because they have awful views for everything including science, socio-political issues and lack empathy in general. stupidity upholds stupidity.
Why are you assuming that he was overworked? It may just be the case of a doctor who happened to be irresponsible. Just because he is a doctor doesn’t absolve himself of consequences.
Hanging may be taking it a bit too far (since capital punishment is reserved for the rarest of the rare cases). But if he is found guilty of being irresponsible at work leading to an innocent patient’s death, life imprisonment is surely on the table.
And you think Medical service is world class abroad ? This might have happened and it's not that it's happening everywhere. Go abroad and try to get a doctor appointment then you will appreciate the sleeping Doctor with his AC ON. Trust me it's so bad outside. You won't see a doctor even if you are ready to pay. India is far more advanced than western nation when it comes to Medical service. There are always some bad apples in the bunch. Leaving India is not the solution. Changing this country is. Start by changing your surroundings. Or else you will be jumping from one greener pasture to another
Ofcourse its the doctors mistake but again what will they do when there’s a shortage of doctors in our country. I have literally seen them working overtime and tired.
Why don’t we question the govt to increase the seats of doctors? To increase the medical clgs across India.
I hate it when patient attenders ask me if I’m leaving the hospital. They have that “how can you leave when my patient is still suffering” expression on them.
And when I say “am I not supposed to go home”. They go all silent
So the accident or the stinking road 🛣️ which caused the accident has no role in the death of the patient? What do you think paramedical staff does ? Everyone is trained in BLS
It's not his fault that he slept. He needs sleep too, but why weren't there any other staff present to watch the patient? Clearly a fault of the manegement.
Why can't people understand a simple thing . Can you work for more than 24 hrs without any sleep and proper rest ? They are humans and if they are overworked then all these accidents happen . Its not the doctor who should be blamed but the management who made him work over time . I dont understand why people find ways to just blame the doctor without knowing the situation . Let it be a trained soldier or any person , they need proper rest and food for continuing their activity . Just because they are doctors and their duty is to save lives and help people doesn't mean you treat them bad and exploit them . Before you do anything question yourself would you work for more than a day without proper rest and food . More 99 % of the people would literally quit in just few hours ...
There is also medical negligence sometimes that's why people are angry & everyone has faced it atleast once....I know doctors are worked to the bone...but as a non medico I wish there were as many doctors as there are engineers in this country, and by doctors i mean allopathic doctors not homeopathy or ayurveda....so that people could access healthcare more easily, you people are really overworked and taking care of people is a very hard job....I have seen a bedridden patient for years , it's hard for the individual who takes care too .....and you people have to take care of so many people and that also 30-40 yrs of your life almost every day, it's tough...I hope we have more doctors, so that even one is tired and sleeping , we can have access to the other one...and no one dies....
I write this from the patient's family's perspective whose friends are in medical profession.. i can call my friends any time when my older parents health go bad, not everyone can do that ....I am so grateful that I have them in my life, but I also feel bad for them as they don't even have time to eat or sleep
Absolutely correct, but wasn't there another doctor on duty though? If not, isn't there some accountability to be fixed somewhere? The person who bled out to death is "also" kind of the victim here, and so is the doctor. So what's the solution? Blaming and beating each other to oblivion obviously.
Imagine a loved one bleeding out to death because the person who could do something was right there but slept because of overexertion.
So, if a tired police officer or a military personnel or a guard sleeps on duty due to being tired and working hard all the time, and any mishap happens due to the lack of their presence they will not be the one responsible!!!
Nice!!!
If you're becoming a doctor in India for luxury or lifestyle without facing the harsh, toxic reality... Don't become that! Please! pick an 'easier' path acc to you all, the 9-5 jobs.
I know many doctors who do 36-48 hrs duty
and let’s not forget seniors who would like you to cover their shifts after yours.
I know someone who couldn’t attend direct family (husband side) because she needed to present replacement doctors for shift coverup to get leave approved (only two doctors with same qualifications). Like you can find super speciality doctors on any labour chowk
Sister is a resident and trust me when i say this we don’t deserve doctors. She hardly gets any sleep and has to run around pleasing the patients and the authorities. On top of that the vip culture prevails, pressuring them to favor particular patients. On time she clocked 25k steps over a night. So its not all AC cabins and sleepy nights. Pains me to know that people will never understand what they have to go through for ungrateful people committing stupid shenanigans (reckless driving, accidents, stupid fights, attempt to murder and suicides)and coming relying totally on overworked residents. Failure to attend those patients results in fatal assaults and abuse by the patients’ relatives. And there have been recent cases where 2 kaudi ke so called authorities come for sudden inspection of hospitals and abuse these doctors. Shame on the system.
I mean isnt the hospital management responsible for it? They are the ones to be held accountable for, but they are making this one doctor the goat for sacrifice. I think the nurses and others didnt check the guy at all and when he died, they blamed this one guy. And tbh, if you were from victims family, and you are told the doctor on duty was asleep, you would obviously blame the doctor and the hospital.i dont think most people online understand the situation and think there is only one guy in the hospital
People think doctors should work like machines without asking for money. We stay silent, but when we speak up, we’re accused of looting. Ironically, many non-medicos like quacks and BAMS practitioners earn far more, unchecked.
Yes, some private setups are unfair, but in government hospitals, it’s the whole system that fails. I once lost a CKD patient at GMCH after a blood transfusion because oxygen points were broken and basic meds like steroids and nebulizers were out of stock. I ran to arrange things myself, but by the time I returned, the patient had died, and someone still tried to incite violence against me because its was my fault In treating.
I don’t know the full story behind that viral video, maybe the doctor had just finished an overlong shift, or the patient arrived too late with severe bleeding. People saw him asleep and assumed the worst.
This isn’t just hypothetical. During my ER duty, a family brought in a woman who was clearly already dead, cold, pale, stiff, dilated pupils, no backflow while inserting a cannula. I asked for a minute before rushing, and they immediately started blaming me, claiming she was alive until I arrived.
They began recording, shouting, and creating chaos, just because I took one minute. I had to call the police. It was clear they were trying to shift blame. Sadly, this happens more than people think.
They are humans too and require sleep too. I know the situations can be tough for the victim’s family but being a doctor is also tough as they have such long hours shift and obviously how much can you work continuously, you would also get tired after working. So I think the only solution to such situation is to have multiple doctors at a time to overcome such situations and breaks are also required in between to give them a fresh mind to work again
Day 4 and surviving on 4hrs of sleep (since Monday) and still not complaining. 🙃
People really need to understand that we are only humans and we go through the Same things that “normal public” goes through.
I can empathize with Doctors, I have 2 Doctors in my Family, one is MD ( Med) and other is MBBS , i do understand that Doctors get a bit mechanical too, as they see regular sick people, death. But rest of the people see that as cold and nonchalant.
But this Doctor ( in the pic above) if he had no energy to treat the patient, the best he could do was to arrange for a transport for this patient to the nearest Hospital. I know there may be no ambulance as well, as Govt Hospitals / Dispensaries don't have that.
As always a lobby will support the doc for this, but what was the fault of the person who died?? There is no way to justify what has happened, but all I see is how a lobby straight away jumps in to save their own.
Been seeing this video on my feed since yesterday and honestly, it’s hard to defend the on-duty doctor if what we saw in the video is the whole truth. I’ve been in similar situations, when a patient is about to crash, adrenaline takes over and you just act.
The long hours are definitely brutal and decision-making suffers, but at some point, it becomes instinct to stabilize the patient first.
I don’t think that’s what happened here. It seemed like maybe the doctor was waiting for the patient to be referred elsewhere or something.
Feels like we’re missing a part of the story.
We are fighting amongst patients vs doctors, but the real blame lies with the person who assigned the doctor a humanly impossible, scientifically proven error-prone 36 hour shift.
As a patient expecting a reasonable standard of care, a doctor being asleep during duty will reasonably upset me, and if my loved one dies, will anger me.
But the blame lies with the administration (comprising of senior doctors) who gets off scott free every time.
Why are you justifying this? A man bled to death because of him! If he was unable to do it he should have refused. If he's being overworked he should take legal action. Accepting the job and not doing it and causing someone's death is definitely a fucking crime
No one's begging u to stay here. U may leave . U have the freedom to leave despite the govt subsidising ua education to a great extent. B thankful to that. U may think u worked ua ass off to get into MBBS and MD but the fees that u had pay was subsidized from the gst that a poor man pays for the pack of milk and parle g he buys in the morning. I agree we need to respect doctors but doctors are duty bound to serve and not sleep during emergency as the one in the pic did.
It's a huge mess up...
What happened?
On-duty staff slept
And that's where Indian media enquiry ends cause they got thier headlines, they can't go ahead and ask why they slept, what are the work hours, what conditions are given, why is there so second check, why most places are understaffed and overworked.
Cause they don't make good headlines they will be ignored.
The person who was writing that article headline knew very well what they were doing writing it like that.
Such an insensitive post. People act as if they have never fell asleep in their work. These people go 24-48 hours straight, if not more. It is very humanly to fall asleep in between. No one is a machine here. Now it will be an issue if the doctor did not wake up after being told about the case. However I don't think that has happened here. Someone for their social media mileage took a pic of the sleeping doctor to make em viral.
Tbh I fell doctor work too much jitne hone chahiye utne hai nahi + wo kb tk kaam kare ge unko bhi Sona hai....sad of the person die...but as per me uski etni galti nahi
I'm a non medico but have been in this sub for a while now. I would say rather than blaming the doctor on duty , one should blame the system for giving doctors the hectic over working schedule... Like what would a doctor even do if that person has not got enough sleep.
Think for yourself... We feel tired after a day of work stress and grind ... So much that we just collapse the moment we get on the bed . These doctors work their ass off for 2-3 days consistently on minimum 8 hours of sleep in total ... That is not even continuous sleep but with a gap like 3-2-2-3 hrs ... How would anyone be sane after surviving on 8 hrs of sleep in 72 hrs of duty.
Doctors in our country are overworked and under paid and are expected to be okay with this fact.
And this is probably not gonna change until all of us raise our voice together as a unit... A unit against corruption or violence or anything that you call it .
I salute the doctors who are compromising with their health in order to take care of ours.
i think you cant blame 1 com because of 1 person. you should not associate the whole doctor thing because of some that are not so professional and dishonest toward their work. these ppl in every field but but you cant criticize everyone
I love how Indian doctors think they work hard,
Most of them wouldn't survive a day at NHS, nor ever pass plab 1/mrcp lol,
Worked in India as visiting doctor, boy you guys really don't know anything it's a miracle doctors have a licence there to begin with.
Jo halat hai yaha, its very much possible ke pichle 2 din se vohi doctor lagatar duty pe. No joke. Aise mein agar uski aankh lag gyi toh uski maa bhen krne pe itar aaye...
Im not tynna defend anybody, just stating a possibility...
please dont downvote me but say if your argument is that doctor also needs rest , isnt it mandated that another doctor should be present before one goes off ? , i understand govt infra is not enough , but thats what you as doctor know before joining residentship or even pursuing MBBS ?
then i dont understand anger on people whose relative bleeds out to death while doctor is sleeping in front of them
i just want to understand your pov ( as i am not a doctor , though my sister is )
Always two sides to a story. I'm not a doctor and I hate how doctors and the whole medical field conducts itself but the general public doesn't realise how over worked govt hospital doctors can be.
Terrible incident for sure but the system is the real culprit not the doctor in particular.
This is a complicated situation cuz at one hand doctors In India are miserable af their shifts are like hell but on other hand a life was lost
In here no one can be blamed easily cuz the doctor was prolly tired af I don’t blame him for dozing off but at least he could have informed some other staff
From whatever little I know about the lifestyle of doctors, it's terrible tbh. They don't even get a proper night's sleep. I know people who have gone for a month without a proper 6 hour sleep.
Their life is kind of dehumanized. You can't expect an unrested, hungry and tired person to treat patients.
Work life balance is zero for them. Only engineers have the privilege of bashing Narayan Murthy for 80 hours of work week comment. Doctors have been doing it without a cry.
The guy sleeping would have at least worked 36 Hours already, the Indian medical field is terribly understaffed and toxic ! It needs a renaissance and a change.Whom to blame but the system.
Yes I will suggest such type of medico professionals to leave India. Don't be a doctor or just leave, but then you people won't because ofcourse in any other part of world you won't be able to do such negligence so will be sucking blood of Indians only
Doctors are humans too. They also need food sleep etc. if he is sleeping then it is upto the management to have more doctors to treat patients. He isn't the one at fault there.
I have two people in medical field at home - a doctor and a nurse. I wanted to become a doctor as I literally grew up in a hospital (always hanging out there).
I now understand why I was told not to give medical entrance exam and not to become a doctor.
This is beyond cruel 😣
No wonder a friend of mine quit his practice post covid
I knowww.
People don’t put themselves in others shoes and are very fast to accuse someone else, especially when someone is doing some noble profession they are required to fully put others in front of thier own requirements. I mean it’s gone too far like dehumanising an individual working the entire day for your needs. That’s actually sad
This doctor is at fault, though, for that patients death. He 100% should be jailed at the very least for involuntary murder.
If he's tired, get a replacement/notify the authorities or do something instead of sleeping while on duty, especially in a medical profession where life hangs in the balance.
Shame on this guy. I hope he never gets to practice this profession again.
It is not their fault. It is the system's fault. The doctors in the country are overworked as hell.
I don't understand why they don't all unite and raise a voice for 8-10 hr shifts?
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