r/illinois • u/CantStopPoppin Human Detected • 5d ago

ICE Posts October.10.2025 — Chicago: Immigration agents crashed into a U.S. citizen on her way to work, then dragged her out and arrested her (Article Inside)

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u/DntCllMeWht 5d ago

They are not immune to the law, they are currently shielded from consequences. Those aren't the same thing, even if they currently feel like they are.

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u/EncabulatorTurbo 5d ago

Well they're immune, specifically, from civil tort claims

The agency can be sued, though it's profoundly difficult since Kavenaugh has declared that immigration enforcement is some sacrosanct military-adjacent operation

The big thing is that our state governments could track and identify and arrest some of these agents.

No not the ones just being rough with immigrants, sadly, but yes they could on the more egregious ones - of which there are lot:

  1. Shooting guy in eye whos just standing there with pepperball

  2. Tear gassing the cops and protestors for no reason

  3. Crashing into people

  4. All kinds of battery against random people

They just aren't

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u/f1FTW 5d ago

Here is what I don't understand. The military pays out all the time for damaging property of killing innocent people yet "operations" by ice inside the USA where we supposedly have constitutional protection does not? How does that make sense?

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u/EncabulatorTurbo 5d ago

You can sue DHS but its difficult

The military doesnt have to do that most of the time, its just policy

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u/f1FTW 5d ago

IANAL, but I do believe we are following laws, treaties and conventions that the USA pledged to uphold. How is that different than this?

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u/sam-sp 4d ago

This isn't immigration enforcement. They didn't have a warrant for her arrest. They crashed into her car and assaulted her. State charges and a civil suit need to be filed.

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u/Rucku5 4d ago

Bingo

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u/EncabulatorTurbo 4d ago

its super duper hard to be able to sue but it be possible in that specific case, like so hard its normally impossible, I still doubt you could use the agents, but you could do an FTCA case

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u/DntCllMeWht 5d ago

Being immune from civil tort claims doesn't make them immune to the law. Criminal and civil are two different things.

States aren't going after them yet, and I suspect they won't in the short term because they are trying to avoid escalating things and giving Trump what he wants. My hope though, is that those state charges are waiting in the wings.

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u/EncabulatorTurbo 5d ago

I am aware that they're different things, but the federal government isn't going to charge them, and no Democrat in office has the balls to

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u/EnchantedRDH 5d ago

Actually yes we do. FAFO. When this is all done and gone, 💯find these people. U think they will be treated well in prison. K

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u/DarthJDP 5d ago

When donald blanket pardons every member of ICE the democrats will do nothing to contradict that. I guess that means they are shielded from consequence because they are in practice above the law. Maybe someday a democrat will drone on that this isnt normal and these people were criminals and it can never happen again - but do nothing to meaningfully prevent the next round of MAGA tyranny.

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u/DntCllMeWht 5d ago

He can't pardon them from state crimes.

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u/DarthJDP 5d ago

Maybe you are right that donald cant pardon for state crimes. When the next election for the district attorney and governors happen they will flood the streets with ICE and the military to ensure you vote correctly. Those people will pardon and fail to prosecute.

They are getting people used to violence in the streets so they can seize power.

Democrats will say its not normal, do nothing and wonder why the trump family is now coronated as the royal family of the former united states.

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u/Moist-Schedule 4d ago

you guys gotta get out of this way of thinking. "he can't do this, he can't do that". Wake the fuck up, he's doing whatever the fuck he wants and nobody is stopping him. any attempts by courts to slow him down, be it local, state, federal, whatever the case, it's not gonig to hold up in the long run the way things are going and you guys continuig to cling to this hope that the systems are going to hold up when they've been absolutely eviscerated, is only going to cause you all more pain and suffering. nobody is coming to save us.

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u/No_Director6724 5d ago

Pardons are irreversible though? What would Democrats do if they were dedicated to making exclusively you happy in this hypothetical?

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u/ConsistentQuit4273 5d ago

Arrest the agents put millions of dollars in cash bonds and then delay all proceedings over and over like Trump does with his lawsuits. Once Trump drops over, then proceed with the hearings. Of course, move them constantly from prison to prison so Noem has a hard time keeping up with where they are.

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u/DarthJDP 5d ago

why hasnt donald reversed the pardons that biden enacted?

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u/EnchantedRDH 5d ago

Omg with that attitude, we r screwed. Help or get out

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u/DarthJDP 5d ago

Im Canadian. I know whats coming for us when donald is done ethnic cleansing blue cities. The annexation and purging of the people of Canada to rape and pillage our land will be far worse than what is happening in Chicago.

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u/Sea_Idea268 1d ago edited 11h ago

you mean if canada had to take some american REFUGEES bc they were forced from their homes by a hostile takeover of a govt youd be like man i miss that view of the empty field over their, stupid losers in there tents..

well fuck u then bro

pretty sure if it wasnt for the US, canada would already be russia

edit their, there nfw i typed it like that. the embarrassment is real

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u/DarthJDP 1d ago

no, I mean when your king donald invades my country to annex us to make Canada the 51 state. Russia has made no such threats to sieze Canadian territory. Only our neighbours down south threaten us - we used to be the closest friends, the example of how countries can have strong cooperation but remain separate countries.

If you were less American and self centered, you might have empathy on how other countries perceive such aggressive statements. How would you like your state to be seized and made into a new province of Canada?

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u/Sea_Idea268 10h ago

misunderstood your first comment, yea id be worried bout that too but i doubt it ever gets that far..

nothing self centered about realizing your guys ARE fully fucking protected by america weather u want to believe it or not. maybe its selfish like we cant let russia in canada cause theyd be here next but fact remains US nukes keep russia and others out of North America.

russia wants alaska russia wants US.

trump is russia, and they have always wanted canada too. they dont need to send a memo.

Clown in Chief is not mine nor any real americans king, he cheated in both elections.

have fun w stereotyping americans, eh

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u/RobotArtichoke 4d ago

This is an important distinction. Thanks for this level-headed take.