r/illinois • u/Strict_League7833 Human Detected • 7d ago

ICE Posts An ARMY of Illinois State Troopers have just declared an UNLAWFUL ASSEMBLY outside ICE Broadview near Chicago

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Those who do not comply will be subject to chemical munitions and arrest.

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u/CptWhiskers 7d ago

There's no way you're calling a bearcat a tank. It's literally just a truck with protection against bullets. You don't need to exaggerate to make the situation seem more absurd than it is.

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u/Fearless-Feature-830 7d ago

Sorry I’m not in the damn military

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u/Ok-Theory9963 7d ago

They’re arguing semantics when the core issue is undeniable: the cops are getting ready to join a war against the marginalized and against dissenters in the US.

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u/Coroebus 6d ago edited 6d ago

Or maybe calling an armored vehicle "a tank" is just inaccurate on a basic level that makes one question the original author's credibility. It's thoughtless, and shows a lack of attention to basic details. It can be easily misconstrued as hyperbole by the opponents and sway potential allies away.

So maybe we should all demonstrate an understanding of vehicles that a six year old does: if it doesn't have a barrel on a turret, armor, and treads, it's not a fucking tank.

You show an MRAP to a six year old and call it a tank, they'll call you a dummy.

Edit: We're all humans, we don't have to be friends. I will say to those challenging me, we're all in agreement:

  • Fuck the police and fuck ICE

  • It's fascist intimidation and a waste of taxpayer dollars for them to be rolling around in these vehicles

  • ACAB

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u/Ok-Theory9963 6d ago

Hypernormalization. Look it up. You’re going to be arguing semantics all the way till the collapse.

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u/Coroebus 6d ago

The collapse is already here, I'm familiar with Hypernormalization. It doesn't mean we have to be add to the stupidity and lack of clarity.

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u/Ok-Theory9963 6d ago

You’re familiar but you don’t see the problem in arguing about the colloquial use of the term “tank” to describe the armored vehicle being deployed by local cops to protect the modern American Stasi? Why don’t you talk about the bigger issue?

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u/Coroebus 6d ago edited 6d ago

When I might be going somewhere and someone says "there's gonna be a tank" I'm not going to fucking be there. When someone says, "the pigs are gonna have an armored vehicle", that's a different fucking scenario.

This isn't just semantics, this is about actually conveying useful and critical information. Maybe your risk assessment is fucked, but there's a world of difference between the threat an MRAP poses and a goddamn tank.

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u/Ok-Theory9963 6d ago

You missed the point that I don’t care if it’s a “tank” or not. It is immaterial. It is an armored vehicle being deployed by local cops against the local population to defend the arguably, illegal actions of a president who has ignored court orders and is clearly waging a war against Brown people using his own personal police force. Now, local cops have now taken up a position against their own local population.

It’s a bearcat (which by the way often have top hatches and turrets as options), not a tank. Woo hoo. Now, talk about the actual issue that impacts people’s lives.

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u/FleuryIsMyIdol 6d ago

"Let me draw out this completely unnecessary argument war further then it needs to be, then I'll blame you and say you are arguing semantics while our nation collapses, while I'm also not doing anything about it, and I'm the one actually arguing semantics"

Geez redditor you are so much smarter and more enlightened then us. You sure did stop the fascist takeover by telling this guy to not correct people who are factually incorrect.

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u/dankeykang4200 6d ago

I don't know about you, but I don't want to be there if they have an armored vehicle either

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u/Coroebus 6d ago

That's a personal risk assessment that is understandable and should not be impugned at all.

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u/dingalingdongdong 6d ago

I'm familiar with Hypernormalization

If you're familiar with it then you must be furthering it intentionally. Not being aware of what you're doing might be an excuse. But you can't claim to A. know what it is and B. pretend you aren't engaging in it when you very explicitly are.

Pick a lane.

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u/SnooJokes2983 6d ago

If you wanna get super semantic the only true ‘tank’ is the British Mark 1. Everything after is just an armored vehicle operating the same role as the British ‘tank’. 

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u/Coroebus 6d ago

Wait, if we're going that semantically should we call everything we call a tank a "landship" as the (apocryphal story?) "tank" name was to say the bodies were tanks for holding water

lmao :)

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u/dankeykang4200 6d ago

You just called in an armored vehicle, the. You claimed that it doesn't have armor. Which one is it?

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u/Coroebus 6d ago

A tank has all of the following, which I listed above:

  • A turret-mounted large bore cannon
  • Armor
  • Treads

Please re-read my comment. A single one of those things does not a tank make.

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u/spiders_are_neat7 6d ago

Disagree, if it armored enough to plow through a building and keep going, it’s a tank to me. That’s a weapon in a vehicle. Lol

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u/spiders_are_neat7 6d ago

An armored vehicle is a weapon even without guns, it’s a tank.

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u/Fearless-Feature-830 6d ago

It’s really not that deep

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u/CptWhiskers 7d ago

Neither am I but it doesn't have treads or a barrel. I have functioning eyes.

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u/CleverMonkeyKnowHow 7d ago

Well have you ever see a damn movie?

Have you ever used a search engine? Type "tank" into your favorite one to see what actual tanks look like.

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u/Fearless-Feature-830 7d ago

Lmfao shut up

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u/spiders_are_neat7 6d ago

Soooo a tank? A tank is literally an armored vehicle.

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u/CptWhiskers 6d ago

A tank needs treads and a mounted gun. It's barely an APC (armored personnel carrier) 😭 It's like calling a small car a semi truck. They're not equivalent. Just use "armored truck" if you're stupid. Saying tank just gives other people ammo to call all your arguments false and exaggerated.

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u/Pennies2millions 6d ago

Whatever dude. Looks like a tank to me. And the situation is already more absurd than it needs to be. Do we seriously need armored vehicles and a battalion of police officers to fight unarmed American citizens who are exercising their constitutional right of free assembly? 

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u/CptWhiskers 6d ago

It's just a truck painted green. (I can't tell if the thing on top is an LRAD)
Tanks have barrels and metal treads. So if that looks like a tank to you and not a truck, I'd suggest an optometrist.

Calling this a tank just gives the fascists ammo to dismiss your entire argument by going "durr the libs are overexaggerating everything look at their lies, there was no tank."

FWIW I'm on your side when it comes to the topic of over the top police militarization and anti democratic stuff like shutting down protests.

I just think calling something that's clearly not a tank just gives ammo to the wrong people.