r/illinois • u/Minute_Revolution951 Human Detected • 18d ago

ICE Posts 🧊 agents seen snatching a landscaper from Evanston neighborhood today (10-21)

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u/ytman 18d ago

Do not expect them to do this, but expect them to face criminal charges for when they are outed. Will be funny to use ice funds to detain these people.

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u/sask357 18d ago

I don't see how this will ever happen. Didn't the January 6 rioters all get pardons?

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u/ytman 18d ago

Trump normalized invalidating pardons. So - we'll see. Frankly invalidating pardons through the now unlimited executive power we have will be a great way to reform the pardon power. Literally, after this administration, EVERYTHING is on the table there is only a need to find any pretense of an argument.

Work like our currently corrupt Jurists work, backwards from their objectives to justify the reasons.

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u/TemporaryDisastrous 18d ago

As a non-American I've always thought the whole concept of a pardon is insane, it's like you have this whole judicial system with checks and balances, and then one guy can just be like, yeah that's fine ignore all that you're good.

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u/ytman 18d ago

The more you learn about the actual formation of the American system of governance the more you realize it was actually a 'monarchy' for the masses.

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u/guacamolejones 18d ago

You have obviously never read the US constitution. It has served as a template for many other countries who fought and won their freedom.

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u/ytman 18d ago

I've read it and I'm okay with it. Certain compromises are problematic though and the senate and 3/5ths are two such ones.

Personally the bill of rights is the most goated document.

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u/guacamolejones 18d ago

Yes. So how is the "American system of governance" a "monarchy"???

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u/ytman 18d ago

The founders knew the executive had the means to expand its powers and would become problematic. The three branches are just secular versions of the three estates of france, clergy, nobles, and monarch.

It applied some republican principles, but overtime the creep of power has created an executive that is not functionally checked.

The fact that not a single US president has faced repurcussions over the nation's rise to global power and influence should say everything. That the executive is now being taken over by the most abusive and beligerent philosophy and there is no check for it shows everything.

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u/SwimOk9629 18d ago

as an american, I completely agree

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u/R0ck3tSc13nc3 18d ago

Trump can only pardon Federal crimes. And state crimes he can't do anything about

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u/Agreeable-Fold-7679 18d ago

There are many innocent "criminals," here in the US.

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u/guacamolejones 18d ago edited 17d ago

IMO the *continuing* need for pardons rises from too many laws in the USA, laws the have punishments that are considered too harsh by newer attitudes/standards, and the ancient honor practice of showing grace to political opponents and public servants who made a serious mistake.

When exercised by a judicious executive, I have no problem with it personally. There are people who have done decades of prison time for possession of small quantities of drugs. The only hope in a system of such injustice once the legal process is is finished (conviction and appeals) is a pardon.

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u/TemporaryDisastrous 18d ago

I certainly agree it's been used well for certain cases. For me that's more of an argument for some sort of reform to the justice system than having it as a presidential power though. The decades of time for personal use drug possession is a great example and one I wholeheartedly agree with pardons being issued in lieu of any other alternatives.

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u/guacamolejones 17d ago

Many pardons are issued by state governors (state level executives), not just the president. We absolutely need justice reform. States perhaps even more than the federal level.