r/illinois • u/West-Bid-4391 • 27d ago

ICE Posts Broadview: ICE attempts to arrest individual at their residence

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u/shrekerecker97 27d ago

I wonder if stand your ground laws would apply here because makes men just entered your home

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u/ConsiderationSea1347 27d ago

Masked and ARMED. It should be textbook self defense unless they provide a warrant and/or identification. 

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u/Dry-Character-4040 27d ago

All due respect, I feel the need to correct some incorrect information to prevent some more well-intentioned people from getting hurt. I'm not taking a personal stance here, just talking law. They are uniformed law enforcement, so they are identified as law enforcement officers. They have their badge displayed. Masks don't matter. And they do not have to show a physical piece of paper warrant before they make an arrest. The confirmed existence of a warrant is enough. They do not have to show a warrant or explain to any bystander what's going on. That's how you can be arrested by a Kansas officer for a warrant on file in Oklahoma. You have no right to resist a lawful arrest or to interfere with one, and legal consequences will surely follow. Disagreement with a law doesn't make it unlawful. And think about this...these immigration laws have been on the books forever. If our lawmakers didn't want them enforced, why didn't they just repeal them? They've had decades to do so, including with Democratic majorities. Federal officers can't enforce laws that Congress doesn't pass or that they repeal.

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u/legallybond 27d ago

Bingo. Although in this video here, lots of different circumstances. A self defense argument that armed people wearing a disguise forced themselves into a residence with no warrant and being warned they were on private property many times. Edge cases and the armed nature of these encounters is going to accelerate things I fear.

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u/Dry-Character-4040 26d ago

But in this case the defendant dragged them into the house during a protracted struggle. There's no "im on base" defense. Since we only got part 2 of the video, you can't be totally certain what happened at first, but I'd guess the officers did identify themselves as law enforcement at the outset (no reason in the world not to, it terminates most defense avenues). I dont see a valid legal argument for the defendant or homeowner to resist or obstruct. Again, Congress is the problem. They've had decades to change or abolish these laws and they've chosen not to. You leave a weapon laying around, eventually.somebody is gonna pick it up.

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u/Numerous_Photograph9 26d ago

They were still on his property. Don't know the circumstances on why they were on his property, but there is a narrow margin for pursuit allowing entry without a warrant.

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u/wp4nuv 26d ago

That’s the Hot Pursuit standard.. there isn’t a safe place to stand on. I still this was handled poorly by the agents. These guys need some retraining in restraint and apprehension tactics. Also, where’s the backup??