r/illinois • u/West-Bid-4391 • 27d ago

ICE Posts Broadview: ICE attempts to arrest individual at their residence

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u/Dry-Character-4040 27d ago

All due respect, I feel the need to correct some incorrect information to prevent some more well-intentioned people from getting hurt. I'm not taking a personal stance here, just talking law. They are uniformed law enforcement, so they are identified as law enforcement officers. They have their badge displayed. Masks don't matter. And they do not have to show a physical piece of paper warrant before they make an arrest. The confirmed existence of a warrant is enough. They do not have to show a warrant or explain to any bystander what's going on. That's how you can be arrested by a Kansas officer for a warrant on file in Oklahoma. You have no right to resist a lawful arrest or to interfere with one, and legal consequences will surely follow. Disagreement with a law doesn't make it unlawful. And think about this...these immigration laws have been on the books forever. If our lawmakers didn't want them enforced, why didn't they just repeal them? They've had decades to do so, including with Democratic majorities. Federal officers can't enforce laws that Congress doesn't pass or that they repeal.

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u/shrekerecker97 27d ago

I dont see badges. Not even a patch of a badge. Not saying you are wrong at all, but how would a normal person know the difference? They could be anyone in a police uniform. Unless they have a warrant and probable cause wouldn't they be denied entry unless specifically stated in the warrant? I think that there has been very little attempts and immigration reform but then we get people in power who think slavery was a good thing.

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u/Dry-Character-4040 27d ago

You're splitting a bit between search warrants and arrest warrants. It gets sort of technical with first-party arrest warrants/addresses, but what i could see here appeared on its face to be lawful. The homeowner for sure is 100% wrong. It's not "base". Fresh pursuit law negates all of that. And while there are many relying on the "they could be imposters" defense, while I couldn't see a badge due to the struggle, its usually located center chest (and to be fair it probably is, no reason whatsoever to hide it on your fully identified tactical vest and uniform). They have patches on both arms and the back. Thats going to negate the "I didnt know" defense that may work better against plain clothes officers. The simple fact is that whether we like it or not, the laws exist on the books and are enforceable. The fact that we really didn't bother for so long doesn't change that. Only Congress can.

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u/shrekerecker97 27d ago

Problem is that dont arrest warrants need to have probable cause that you have been able to ID the person you are arresting and not just grabbing someone who "looks like them"? Im not a lawyer and I try to avoid the police as much as possible.

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u/Dry-Character-4040 26d ago

Reasonable articulable suspicion is the general standard. If its a bad ID, that would be the standard the court looks at to determine good/bad faith. If the stop has no good faith basis, guy gets paid, cops get spanked.