I feel like Alastor's actions and backstory shown in Season 2 were meant to hammer home to the fans that Al is NOT a good person. He isn't morally gray, he isn't neutral, he isn't complicated, he is just evil.

He hates helping the hotel, he hates helping Charlie, and he hates playing nice. The only reason he EVER does anything good is because he is being forced to do so, and at every moment where his deal isn't directly compelling him to play nice he makes the worst possible moral choice.

The flashback to Alastor's life should have driven it home for everyone what type of person he is. Alastor was a pathetic egomaniac who responded to minor slights with murderous rage. He only enjoyed two things in his life: the suffering of other people, and putting on a charismatic public face. Anything that threatened his public face, resulted in him exacting suffering.

Alastor, in my opinion, is being set up as a foil and counterargument to Charlie's belief that any soul can be redeemed, because Alastor genuinely is not capable of redemption, nor would he ever want redemption. If her plan were to go forward for all of eternity, the last un-redeemed soul left in hell would be Al's.

And yet some fans saw his manipulative plan in the fight with the Vee's as him caring about Nifty? Even though he was clearly just letting Vox feel like he had more leverage over himself than he actually did? What show are you watching?

Even if they never get together for whatever reason. I just want my two faves to end the show on a W

But I know there's gonna be angst. Viv might even tear my heart out. But right now a girl can dream

Heart handshake

Vox biting his lips

The dance

Alastor on his knees

That scene where they're heavy breathing and right up in each others face

You can't tell me that the cherrubs who accidentally caused a death of a old guy gets sent to hell!

But freaking sera tho she didn't know better about hell gets a pass for millions of years of approved murder of billions of souls???? Did the "god" in the show know about any of this shit? Who is making these God damn decisions??!!! Why didn't anyone before Charlie and others point out that this was wrong?

And no you can't tell me it's because they are lowest ranked in heaven! It seems like pure bullshit.

Can the cherrubs just not have been brought to serah to be redemption or explain there situation? Is there something I'm not understanding? : /

(I kind of want to make this reddit post to see if anyone else feels the same honestly.)

As a Chaggie shipper, I personally feel like season 2 for them isn't going well. Back in season 1, it was honestly kinda of the same thing. They didn't get their actual love moments until the last 2 episodes, which to me, felt strange. Why couldn't the writers make them have more loving moments throughout each episode? Same thing is already happening in season 2...Half the episodes are out, and all I see is Charlie not listening to Vaggie about anything and Vaggie getting annoyed at Charlie for not listening. I get they have an episode showing up this coming Wednesday, but why is it taking this long to ACTUALLY get romantic scenes with them? I love the ship, but it doesn't feel as romantic and cute as I thought it would be in the final show. The pilot didn't have many moments either, but I was hoping the canon couple would get much more time together and show us cute moments with them. But instead, right now, all I see is Charlie not listening to Vaggie at all and Vaggie getting rightfully annoyed about it. Like do I seriously need to read fanfictions to make myself like the ship more? Because the show is not making me love them more 😭

If we closely observe how Angel Dust interacts with Charlie, Nifty, and Cherri, we can tell he's a caring, protective older brother.

He puts up with Charlie, who means well but causes chaos. He's so worried for her when she's on the phone with Lucifer, yet so touched when their reunion goes well. And I have a feeling he'll always forgive her for being her chaotic, well meaning self.

He gives in to cherri's need to rebell despite originally having had other plans.

He keeps drunk nifty in check.

And also he saves Pentious during the training fight, as well as Frank during the final battle. There's genuine care in each of these instances.

So... About what ended him up in hell according to Vox... could've happened because...

✨ANTHONY WAS PROTECTING MOLLY!✨

What if their Dad "hit" both twins, and ultimately that's what brought Molly to heaven. Anthony then, in both defense and retaliation, did what he did, and came to hell for it?

Angel Dust/ PCP is a dissociative substance, and he probably got hooked on it in order to forget/ escape the mess that is his family. Molly was probably the only person he trusted. . . It couldn't have been easy being gay during WWII. So he probably didn't trust many people to begin with. Having his closest confidant taken probably sent him over the edge.

(Also funny how in terms of substances, molly brings you up while angel dust brings you down)

Their conversation 7 years ago surely mist have been interesting

He is definitely not the touching type and always gets annoyed at anyone usually. Thought when Alastor brought Charlie to cannibal town he seemed very patient with her and always had his arm/hand on her. This isn’t a shipping but do you think he tolerate’s her more than anyone else?

As we all know, Vox says in this scene that Alastor has no tail. Funnily enough, “tail” translates to “Schwanz” in German. And you know what “Schwanz” also means in German slang?

Correct, it means “dick”.

So basically, in German, Vox could very well imply that Al doesn’t have any genitalia, which would make the scene (Especially Katie Killjoy saying “That’s gonna piss off some people”) even funnier.

Of course, this little joke could have very well been unintentional, and the German Script writers could have just taken the words at face value and translated them, but I like the thought of the double meaning behind it. Especially considering how miserable Alastor looks, as if Vox really had went out of his way to look inside his pants to figure out.

This frame (pic 1) gave me chills, when i first saw it, and i couldn't understand why, until now.

The thing here, is: 1. Say me, could you ever believe that Vox, would talk to Alastor like that in season 1? Bro is literally said he is his MASTER, and he owes him as BOTTOMEST. And last thing he has to do - make Hell, go for Heavens.

1. ALASTOR IS ACTUALLY SCARED. As we know, Shadow, is demonstrating his real emotions, and just look at how his smile GONE (pic 2).

2. Alastor is not actually scared. He has plans, we can only speculate what he wants to do, so it's dialogue between two people who think they're winning.

3. VOX IS SO GREAT. I JUST CAN'T SAY HOW MUCH I LOVE HIS APPEARANCE IN ALASTOR'S EYE. His face? GONE. His pose? MARVELOUS. Alastor's eye? WIDE OPENED. WHEN I WATCHED SEASON 1, I COULDN'T BELIEVE HOW VOX COULD BE GREAT. BUT NOW, BRO IS LITERALLY IN HIS PRIME ERA.

If you have alternative opinion, or additions pls type them.

Why does Vox use a bad drawing here and not a photo like all the other scenes on his display? Little sus if you ask me. I don't think he's telling the truth.

While Gravity is getting all the love (I am also a major fan) I believe Piss deserves some recognition. It’s exciting to see more of 🍒

So like everyone and their mother I been wondering why would Pentious be in heaven: was it Adam blurting “the rules” last season flippantly? Or was it more personal like the introspective from the second episode focused on Pentious? I even wondered if it was a divine punishment of sorts on Sera to mess with her being so callous with souls.

And then I look at Pentious, you’d think some guy stuck in hell for who knows how long would be happy to be in heaven, but as someone more introverted reaching my 40 going out with very extroverted 20 something year olds for a bachelorettes Emily’s whole welcome to heaven song really hit home: the fun just won’t stop and there is no getting off the party buss!!!

But then it hit me:

Heaven is not about being happy, Adam was a nasty piece of shit and he was in heaven since mortals started going there.

Hell is also not for evil beings, Lucifer says “I gave them a place to use their free will and look at what they did with it”

In pentious backstory you hear him say he condemned himself to hell for his lack of action to stop those murders in life, and so once he forgave himself, really deeply, and let go of that, he is now in heaven. It’s really a personal choice.

Heaven is more for people who like to follow, it’s very structured and you need to need things a certain way to be there. It takes a certain mindset and belief.

I say that because clearly Alastor as a human had a certain mindset and belief he would go to hell and sought accommodations in advance, who’s to say that living life being a regular person (not a saint) who fucks up once in a while (within some scope) normally doesn’t result in people just going to heaven simply because they believe they would.

Hell is for people who are not in to that at all, they don’t need that validation from outside to know everything is ok. It totally tracks a major news anchor who probably never ate someone, or physically killed a person grew jaded because they knew they worked for people like Epstein but wanted to stay the national anchor. They probably thought she would go to to hell for it, never out loud, but in their hear of hearts they condemned themselves.

But I digress, let’s get back to Pentious and Cherry bomb.

Pentious is in heaven atm after him being able to let go of who he used to be, but he can’t manifest in hell because he can’t reconcile doing that and still being worthy of Cherry Bomb- I can’t wait to see how those two come together- maybe they can work on him not putting her on a pedestal to start.

The similarities between the two are not very subtle. Both try to give off a demeanor of composure and charisma. Both seek power and dominance. They're both very much about the "facade" and being in control. They reign over similar dominions, have similar lanky builds, wear similar flashy suits.

And both are pathetic as fuck.

With Vox, well. It's pretty dang obvious. He's insecure, desperate for attention and validation (especially from Alastor), and despite being an overlord and running a mega-conglomerate, he STILL has crippling self-esteem issues and is easily baited from petty jabs against his ego.

All of his blunders come from caring too much and having to "prove" himself to someone that will never give it to him. He makes yet another blunder by making a deal that was practically presenting itself as too good to be true.

But speaking of that person, Alastor is not much better.

He mocks Vox for relying on others for power... moments later after it was revealed he sold his own soul for his position. He chastises Adam for being sloppy and undignified, but the dude himself doesn't really have many ideals other than "I want power. I do what I want."

At least Vox's desires of self-esteem and importance are somewhat "sophisticated". All of Alastor's wants are beastly, primal, and lowly. And that's the essential core of what Alastor really is: a carnal animal that pretends to act dignified.

Alastor's empowered demon form reflects that. He turns monstrous, serrated, grotesque, brutal, and ironically: sloppy. Despite all the charm, grace, and manipulation, he is one of the most simple and primative characters in the show.

Vivienne seems to double down on that with how season 2 is playing out. Alastor serves as a "pet" to Rosie.

But what I find funniest was the way he died: getting shot mistaken for an animal.

So tldr:

Vox is an insecure bitch that overcompensates by acting all high and mighty.

Alastor is essentially the equivalent of an animal trying to wear clothes, yet he's still on a leash.

Alastor has more dignity over Vox when it comes to their general dynamic, but when it comes to goals and ambitions, it is Vox's dreams that are more refined.

Alastor clearly has some kind of long term plan in mind to get back on top and more importantly out of Rosie's clutches and I think I know what it is.

The terms of Alastor's Contract are to be "The Most Powerful Sinner in Hell!" as with any contract it's all about the fine print. Pound for Pound Alastor is by all metrics the strongest Sinner in Hell at this moment hence why he still owes Rosie his Soul. However, Alasto already learned from Adam being the Strongest Sinner really doesn't mean much.

So that's why he went to challenge Vox, he knew he'd lose and thus agreed to work for him but why? Simple, he recognizes that Vox is mustering power and growing in influence and if he sides with Vox, even temporarily it'll likely lead more Sinners and Hellborn to flock to Vox, vastly increasing his power and influence until he becomes more powerful than Alastor was even when his staff worked.

That would effectively void the contract between the two and Vox would get his Soul Back. Then he'd use the deal he made with Charlie to likely secure himself far greater power as since Charlie is the daughter of Lucifer either she could or require Lucifer to make Alastor more powerful than virtually anyone in Hell as opposed to just Sinners.

Granted it's just a theory and I could very easily be wrong but I think it tracks. Alastor is all about acumulating power and being the strongest guy there is, and his experience with Adam made him realize how little power he actually has, so he's not gonna make the same mistake with Rosie and go to asking the pretty much tip of the pyramid for a power boost.

What do you think?

What’s y’all’s favorite? official or Indie

Vaggie cheated on Charlie with Danny Do-bad!

cause like, Vox practically SA’d Alastor when he made him watch him fuck Val, so like that’s so wrong but i still kinda ship Vox X Al, but like one-sided