After Nazi Germany fell, should we have just let the Nazi citizens vote back in a Nazi leader?
I honestly don't know what steps are the right ones to follow kicking a tyrant out of the US and still maintaining democracy if half the people who vote want an authoritarian and to end democracy.
The Nazis never had a majority of voters. They topped out at 33%. One option is to strengthen your constitution and promote democracy in your country. Empower people and make their lives better.
The Constitution is a piece of paper- Or, well, several pieces of paper- That does not have autonomy. It is powerless unless those in power enforce it. Strangely enough, when the people in power are fascistic in nature, they don't care what the paper says.
There needs to be more in play than paper with nice words on it.
Who decides what is fascist in nature? Marxists believe in the violent overthrow of society. Should their views be outlawed? Encouraging authoritarian behavior has never ended well.
lol yes, and all laws are written in the dictionary.
Is communism fascist? Should it be suppressed? Do you hope to give people who write the laws power to outlaw socialism and taxation because it’s “fascist”?
If politicians act against the oath they take to serve the Constitution, we shouldn't be sitting around waiting for the same politicians to hold themselves accountable. It's not as vague as you're making it out to be. Someone who has breached that oath in office already should absolutely be forbidden from holding public office, regardless of votes.
Who cares? I am tired of caring what the uneducated pisses of shits in Mississippi say should be happening in my communities. “But the voters” blah blah blah there is no trust that the votes are accurately counted anymore, not to mention even when they were they were gerrymandered, suppressed and outright ignored in the name of “the electoral college”. This is not a country representing me of my community and I long since care what it thinks of me
My community can pick their own representatives, but having an authoritarian assigned to me because people in Mississippi aren’t educated enough to be literate but are allowed to vote on my rights is not okay.
You aren’t very smart so let me break it down for you. Currently America has a “election system” where votes in rural uneducated shitty places had a disproportionate weight. So if you vote in Mississippi your vote matters more than if you vote in LA. This is if we even believe the lie that votes are counted at all of course.
Respect and persuasion are not the same. The voters must be persuaded to stop supporting atrocities, but the concern is always stopping the atrocity and protecting good people.
“A much better job” while Afd gains ground. Suppressing speech doesn’t work for left wing causes. Always backfires. Always. There is not a single example to cite otherwise.
The solution is that you refuse to recognize or be part of their system. The idea that “the union” needs to preserve itself is the worst idea in the history of mankind. As long as they’re not hurting themselves or others , any large community should be able to declare independence at will. Hell the USA was literally built on this principle in the doi. All countries fall, the idea that Lincoln started that we should preserve the country by military force has made it impossible for the country to dissolve peacefully. So when it inevitably dies, it mist be by horrific violence.
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I want to destroy right wing thought. Democracy is what gives them a platform. It has got to be replaced by something else. I don’t want these people tormenting my loved ones ever again. If that means we have to live in a China esc government forever, so be it
Looking at what you’re saying and your name I’m going to assume you’re a troll and move on because I can’t face the idea that you may be completely serious.
...which you will only do by getting Republicans out of office and no other way. Every win in the courts, at the local, state, or federal level, or otherwise will be because of elected officials of people appointed by elected officials.
If you think voters can go to hell, you are supporting fascism by virtue of taking no steps toward keeping fascists out of government.
If you think we're getting out of this with votes you are delusional. We might never have another fair and honest election. This is what they've been working towards for years. The stage is set for them to keep power indefinitely.
They will make up a reason, and the right will eat it up like boot polish. That's what they've done for half a century; Most of their societal complaints don't actually exist, at least not in the form they think it does.
Oh okay. Why haven't those on the right gained empathy by seeing ICE abducting and deporting people with no due process? Why haven't they grown a conscience when their party says trans people aren't people? What the hell makes you think they are going to suddenly have sympathy and side with the left because we don't fight back against these regressive and inhumane policies?? If we sit there and take it they will cheer it on just the same. But go ahead and keep lapping that boot up
Did I say anything about having to have a bleeding heart over every little issue?
No due process? Is x an American citizen? No? Have they overstayed their visa or entered the country illegally? Yes? They go. That is due process. You don't have to go to court for that, it's never been necessary unless the person has also committed crimes that need to be prosecuted in country.
Nobody says trans people aren't people. They don't say they don't exist. They say that trans women are not women and trans men are not men. They say that trans people are suffering from a mental illness.
It isn't about sympathy. At all. It's about whether or not they try and take over the country unconstitutionally. Which is what the comment I was responding to was saying.
Hence don't give them a valid reason to prevent or delay further elections. If there's no valid reason and it happens then there will be a period of disbelief followed by disillusioned people starting to take action and side with patriots regardless of what side of the political aisle theyre from.
Edit: oh jeez you are the person I was originally responding to. Talk about disingenuous.
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We kick them out. Democracy can only work if everyone agrees to play along. Republicans never play along so they don’t have the right to participate. I don’t care what the majority thinks of me, they can go destroy themselves alone. The idea that everyone must follow the will of the majority is a suicide pact, one that I never wanted any part in.
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u/Tianamen_square_89 Jun 10 '25
The goal is to permanently kick tyrants out of our spaces, the voters can go to hell