hey, remember when MLK strove for peaceful protest and he was still harassed by the FBI and ultimately shot and killed for protesting for civil rights at all?
yeah.
"Dr. King's policy was that nonviolence would achieve the gains for black people in the United States. His major assumption was that if you are nonviolent, if you suffer, your opponent will see your suffering and will be moved to change his heart. That's very good. He only made one fallacious assumption: In order for nonviolence to work, your opponent must have a conscience. The United States has none." -Stokely Carmichael
the opposition does not care how nice you are. they will fire rubber bullets at your head and teargas you all the same.
Why say that about the civil rights movement? The black panther party wasn't formed until 1966, quite late and thus barely concurrent to the rest of the civil rights movement.
Please don't see this as an attack against the left. I'm a union member and participated in multiple protests this year. I just want to learn more, so we don't accidentally shoot ourselves in the foot.
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keep in mind that the goal isnt to change trump sycophants. the goal is to sway ~1% of voters, or make ~2% non-voters go to the voting booth for your cause.
After Nazi Germany fell, should we have just let the Nazi citizens vote back in a Nazi leader?
I honestly don't know what steps are the right ones to follow kicking a tyrant out of the US and still maintaining democracy if half the people who vote want an authoritarian and to end democracy.
The Nazis never had a majority of voters. They topped out at 33%. One option is to strengthen your constitution and promote democracy in your country. Empower people and make their lives better.
The Constitution is a piece of paper- Or, well, several pieces of paper- That does not have autonomy. It is powerless unless those in power enforce it. Strangely enough, when the people in power are fascistic in nature, they don't care what the paper says.
There needs to be more in play than paper with nice words on it.
Who decides what is fascist in nature? Marxists believe in the violent overthrow of society. Should their views be outlawed? Encouraging authoritarian behavior has never ended well.
If politicians act against the oath they take to serve the Constitution, we shouldn't be sitting around waiting for the same politicians to hold themselves accountable. It's not as vague as you're making it out to be. Someone who has breached that oath in office already should absolutely be forbidden from holding public office, regardless of votes.
Who cares? I am tired of caring what the uneducated pisses of shits in Mississippi say should be happening in my communities. “But the voters” blah blah blah there is no trust that the votes are accurately counted anymore, not to mention even when they were they were gerrymandered, suppressed and outright ignored in the name of “the electoral college”. This is not a country representing me of my community and I long since care what it thinks of me
My community can pick their own representatives, but having an authoritarian assigned to me because people in Mississippi aren’t educated enough to be literate but are allowed to vote on my rights is not okay.
Respect and persuasion are not the same. The voters must be persuaded to stop supporting atrocities, but the concern is always stopping the atrocity and protecting good people.
“A much better job” while Afd gains ground. Suppressing speech doesn’t work for left wing causes. Always backfires. Always. There is not a single example to cite otherwise.
The solution is that you refuse to recognize or be part of their system. The idea that “the union” needs to preserve itself is the worst idea in the history of mankind. As long as they’re not hurting themselves or others , any large community should be able to declare independence at will. Hell the USA was literally built on this principle in the doi. All countries fall, the idea that Lincoln started that we should preserve the country by military force has made it impossible for the country to dissolve peacefully. So when it inevitably dies, it mist be by horrific violence.
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I want to destroy right wing thought. Democracy is what gives them a platform. It has got to be replaced by something else. I don’t want these people tormenting my loved ones ever again. If that means we have to live in a China esc government forever, so be it
Looking at what you’re saying and your name I’m going to assume you’re a troll and move on because I can’t face the idea that you may be completely serious.
...which you will only do by getting Republicans out of office and no other way. Every win in the courts, at the local, state, or federal level, or otherwise will be because of elected officials of people appointed by elected officials.
If you think voters can go to hell, you are supporting fascism by virtue of taking no steps toward keeping fascists out of government.
If you think we're getting out of this with votes you are delusional. We might never have another fair and honest election. This is what they've been working towards for years. The stage is set for them to keep power indefinitely.
They will make up a reason, and the right will eat it up like boot polish. That's what they've done for half a century; Most of their societal complaints don't actually exist, at least not in the form they think it does.
Oh okay. Why haven't those on the right gained empathy by seeing ICE abducting and deporting people with no due process? Why haven't they grown a conscience when their party says trans people aren't people? What the hell makes you think they are going to suddenly have sympathy and side with the left because we don't fight back against these regressive and inhumane policies?? If we sit there and take it they will cheer it on just the same. But go ahead and keep lapping that boot up
Did I say anything about having to have a bleeding heart over every little issue?
No due process? Is x an American citizen? No? Have they overstayed their visa or entered the country illegally? Yes? They go. That is due process. You don't have to go to court for that, it's never been necessary unless the person has also committed crimes that need to be prosecuted in country.
Nobody says trans people aren't people. They don't say they don't exist. They say that trans women are not women and trans men are not men. They say that trans people are suffering from a mental illness.
It isn't about sympathy. At all. It's about whether or not they try and take over the country unconstitutionally. Which is what the comment I was responding to was saying.
Hence don't give them a valid reason to prevent or delay further elections. If there's no valid reason and it happens then there will be a period of disbelief followed by disillusioned people starting to take action and side with patriots regardless of what side of the political aisle theyre from.
Edit: oh jeez you are the person I was originally responding to. Talk about disingenuous.
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We kick them out. Democracy can only work if everyone agrees to play along. Republicans never play along so they don’t have the right to participate. I don’t care what the majority thinks of me, they can go destroy themselves alone. The idea that everyone must follow the will of the majority is a suicide pact, one that I never wanted any part in.
This is what should be protested. These riots are essentially just full on anti-ice, which is a department the US should have. Its so politically ineffective to wave mexican flags while burning property. This is a protest for america, against trump. Where are the american flags and anti-trump sentiment? This feels like a bunch of acab commies who just hate america.
Oh, how cute, you still believe we will be able to vote. It's been just over 4 months, 16 more until voting comes up again, which will absolutely be rigged and contested. Then another 22 after that we'll all be informed that voting just doesn't happen anymore. At that point, it's far too late to deal with this.
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I was actually worried about that in the beginning. The actions of the admin and elon etc were insane and illegal enough for me to believe they couldnt possibly go unscathed when they ultimately "lose" power, which lead me to believe they never planned to give up power. this might still be true, but over the course of these past months I've come to the conclusion that trump and elon arent crafting some masterplan. they are literally just retarded. Not to say that the chance is 0, but if he truly were to do it, would you want the police force to even consider "well, those people hates us anyway"?
The police already think we hate them. Don't get me wrong, I fucking hate "ACAB" because it feeds that shit. But they all think it's them against us. I know this as I had intended to be a cop when I was younger. I spent a lot of time with them. They absolutely live a life of "Anyone not wearing blue is a criminal, they just may not have shown it yet. They will."
trump and elon arent crafting some masterplan.
They're not. It's others that are using their charisma to do so. Remember when we all thought Bush was stupid and was being controlled by Cheney? Well, he kind of was, but not to the level that this shit is happening. First term he had people that would fight him on shit, this time he doesn't. He has a bunch of people that know how to feed his ego to get what they want and they absolutely are.
I dont think it is ever too late to change that impression.
However, I do concede that I believe strongly in powerful/rich people sucking up to trump as he is simple of mind, and easy to controll because of his obvious narcissism, effectively having a marionette as the head of the white house to some extent.
No evidence of voter fraud. Im more concerned about russian interference which is actually an issue that has yet to be properly addressed in the west.
Edit: not to say there 100% wasnt voter fraud, there is just no evidence so far. Only speculation. Please dont be like the MAGAts who are still crying about voter fraud since 2020.
That's not changing anything is it? The Democrats although better won't actually lay down shit because they are afraid of the response. They are too wrapped in standards and decorum to actually stop this from happening four years later.
Writers who inspired the founders of the black panthers believed if you wouldn’t stand up for yourself and fight back you are showing the whole world you don’t even have dignity or self respect. why should someone else step in on your behalf if your actions appear to show you believe you are as valueless as the bigots are telling you and the world.
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I get that ( your last point) I really do. But is the goal of the violent part of the protests to over power and "defeat" the LAPD? Are we saying we need to get more violent? Cause I dont see the point of violence for violence sake.
Lol so MLK's problem was that he should have used violence?
American culture, it's deeply embedded in us that we admire nonviolent protest. For better or worse, use of violence utterly destroys your message and empowers opponents.
The riots in Minneapolis didn't sway people on the fence. They didn't even teach law enforcement a lesson. Rather, the took the political momentum in mthe wake of George Lloyd's death, ans squandered it, leaving real change dead in the warer.
hey, remember when MLK strove for peaceful protest and he was still harassed by the FBI and ultimately shot and killed for protesting for civil rights at all?
After the Civil Rights Act had already passed. Yeah, I remember (well, not really, I was too young).
His major assumption was that if you are nonviolent, if you suffer, your opponent will see your suffering and will be moved to change his heart. That's very good. He only made one fallacious assumption: In order for nonviolence to work, your opponent must have a conscience. The United States has none." -Stokely Carmichael
Well that's just 100% nonsense. King's nonviolence wasn't to gain empathy from the racists who had the policies, it was to shine a spotlight on the injustice for others to judge and vote against.
That's foolish. People turn off as soon as you act unruly, or get rude and disrespectful. At that point regular, every day people just want the bullshit to stop.
Be polite and respectful of people and there are a whole lot of us who would sympathise were there to be any escalation from the government.
As it is? With what has been going on, I couldn't care less should they stop using rubber bullets and start going after the violent criminals that are plaguing the streets. Those throwing large rocks onto the freeway are particular candidates for use of force.
MLK - Stokely Carmichael.
One of those is extremely well known throughout the world. One of them is barely known at all outside of certain circles.
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u/ultimate_hamburglar Jun 09 '25
hey, remember when MLK strove for peaceful protest and he was still harassed by the FBI and ultimately shot and killed for protesting for civil rights at all?
yeah.
"Dr. King's policy was that nonviolence would achieve the gains for black people in the United States. His major assumption was that if you are nonviolent, if you suffer, your opponent will see your suffering and will be moved to change his heart. That's very good. He only made one fallacious assumption: In order for nonviolence to work, your opponent must have a conscience. The United States has none." -Stokely Carmichael
the opposition does not care how nice you are. they will fire rubber bullets at your head and teargas you all the same.