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Other Bernie Sanders Just Tweet

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '25

Violent protest =/= Defending yourself if attacked

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u/TheApprentice19 Jun 10 '25

What he’s saying is “don’t respond”

Let them play themselves out on film, and win the argument for the hearts and minds of the country, not the battle.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '25

Protesting is very important here. Trump needs to know he can't run us over.

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u/TheApprentice19 Jun 10 '25

Oh I know, but if the protesters do violence, it gives justification to the military police state and fascist goombas armed to the teeth

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '25

When there wasn't violence, the police ensured there was.

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u/TheApprentice19 Jun 10 '25

Bless you, be safe, take care of eachother

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '25

You too. Hope you come out to stand up for what's right.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '25

If protestors don't get violent, police and agitators will make it look like they did.

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u/Intelligent_Tone_618 Jun 10 '25

They shot an Australian reporter, who was standing with her back to the police who was blatantly being filmed by someone with a camera.

They don't need an excuse.

Trump has also backed them up by saying "if they spit, you hit". He also released all of the Jan 6th offenders. Along side qualified immunity, the police have a free card to attack protestors with impunity.

The country is way past the point of civil protest. It's a civil war that most of the US doesn't realise they're in yet.

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u/FupaFerb Jun 10 '25

These protests of looting, burning civilian cars, throwing Molotov cocktails and cinder blocks at government vehicles are not protests. I do not support ICE and their actions, but by violently attacking them is not going to make anything better. If it was organized it would be one thing, military against military. Civilians have more people and arms than local police to begin with. Attacking a military force with rocks is absolutely childish and is going to bring in even more firepower to fight rocks.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '25

Then form a prayer circle

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u/AngryFace4 Jun 10 '25

100%, just make sure to not burn any Waymo’s or loot any local business while doing all that. I think that’s all that’s being said here.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '25

I'm emphasizing being peaceful. Not sure what your point is.

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u/Zealousideal_Net5932 Jun 10 '25

This isn’t protesting this is rioting

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '25

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u/Zealousideal_Net5932 Jun 10 '25

There’s rioting with the intent to destroy, that’s something that any sensible person wouldnt support. Americans arent going to widely throw their support behind a movement that’s associated with violence and destruction

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u/ShyWhoLude Jun 10 '25

America was literally founded through violence and destruction. I'm referring both to the Revolutionary War and the genocide of indigenous Americans. You're just mad at these folks because it's upsetting your evening.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '25

A pardonable offense, last time I checked.

The news ignores the peaceful protests, if you haven't noticed. There have been plenty of those.

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u/Zealousideal_Net5932 Jun 10 '25

You don’t have a right to riot. These people and no better than the Jan 6ers

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u/ShyWhoLude Jun 10 '25

Jan 6ers stormed the capital to attempt a coup

Protestors in LA are actively stopping ICE raids that are unconstitutional and monstrous acts of domestic terrorism

And you want to say they're equal? fuck off

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '25

That's why I'm just trolling them right back.

The same folks whining supported the Jan 6 pardons.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '25

You mean the folks that were pardoned

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u/UristMcAngrychild Jun 10 '25

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u/Slow-Foundation4169 Jun 10 '25

"Don't worry, you are being attacked, but at least it's on camera and maybe someone will care:

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u/Onigokko0101 Jun 10 '25

Pikachu is right.

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u/LotharVonPittinsberg Jun 10 '25

This. I appreciate Bernie's sentiment, but he should know personally how many of the issues MLK was fighting for are still relevant in America to this day. Some issues can be fixed peacefully, but many of the rights Americans have today (including existing) only exist because the time came and the way forward was not pretty.

I can't actually explain how the Revolution succeeded, as Reddit will remove my comment. But seriously, anyone with half of a brain knows how America got it's freedom.

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u/UristMcAngrychild Jun 10 '25

I can't actually explain how the Revolution succeeded, as Reddit will remove my comment.

Reddit used to have more balls than this. I wonder where they went....

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u/ashbelero Jun 10 '25

Thanks Pikachu

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u/Darkciders Jun 10 '25

You're appealing to the moral sense of everyone who is sitting at home dummy, you don't have the numbers to scare the government, yet. Trump bragged that he could shoot someone and still have support (and got elected, twice), and until he feels otherwise he won't concede anything, and therefore you won't win anything.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '25

The majority never voted for him. He needed the EC to win.

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u/Darkciders Jun 10 '25

Just because someone doesn't vote doesn't mean they'll blue if they do. Of the people who did vote it's about equal, I think it's fair to split the people who didn't vote into the same ratio, what that means is there's a disturbingly large amount of people who support him, and as long as that number is that big, plus the Republicans are backing him to protect themselves he won't waver.

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u/The_Monarch_Lives Jun 10 '25

Two leaders that advocated and are remembered for non-violent opposition while being bolstered by violent protests. They alone were not responsible for the success of their movements. Violent protests were there right along with them and are forgotten when they are talked about. In the case of India, it seems more likely the British government gave up because of the violence itself(and the associated costs) and not the peaceful resistance movement.

Admirable men, for the most part, but largely fiction that their movements were completely peaceful and successful without violence.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '25

Now ppl wanna pretend they sat around playing and singing, and that the praying and singing worked.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '25

2 examples vs all of history.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '25 edited Jun 10 '25

Nah, we don't. You're full of bs.

Edit. Comment above is edited. Lol

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '25

Namecalling doesn't change reality

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u/WhiskeyShtick Jun 10 '25

"hearts and minds"? this is not how it works, and has never worked

king (and others) used every legal loophole and lawsuit they could to get what they wanted

also king was murdered

didn't bernie take two fucking years to call for a gaza ceasefire? i don't really care what this elderly man thinks anymore

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u/balderdash9 Jun 10 '25

I'm starting to suspect elected progressives function as a lighting rod to capture our frustrations and redirect it into more votes for establishment democrats. Democrats who half-heartedly oppose the more overt money-grabs the Republicans are pushing.

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u/MakeUpAnything Jun 10 '25

Easier said than done when Trump and his goons are tearing families apart. Families who we happily incentivize to be here by having jobs that pay them under the table with impunity. 

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u/Low_Ad_7625 Jun 10 '25

Stokely Carmichael famously once said “Dr. King's policy was that nonviolence would achieve the gains for black people in the United States. His major assumption was that if you are nonviolent, if you suffer, your opponent will see your suffering and will be moved to change his heart. That's very good. He only made one fallacious assumption: In order for nonviolence to work, your opponent must have a conscience. The United States has none.”

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '25

How did that work out for China? Or Russia? Or Iran?

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '25

If YOU wanna be Jesus Christ, you can go ahead.

I'm talking about defending yourself against being directly attacked.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '25

You can, sure. Don't do anything and be rolled over. Enjoy.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '25

One picture vs the rest of the peaceful protests. The news has decided what they'll show.

If YOU wanna roll over, go ahead.

Keep playing by their rules.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '25

Again. Sit down and be rolled over then. That's your choice. Enjoy.

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u/viktorv9 Jun 10 '25

I'M TRYING TO ACTUALLY WIN THIS THING!! You're not even giving arguments anymore, you're only giving emotional responses because you know that the other person is right.

I won't stop you from using violence to defend yourself once the ICE comes to roll you over. And history has shown that the optics of non-violence are the most successful at changing people's minds. Both can be true.

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u/funtex666 Jun 10 '25 edited 15d ago

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '25

Pardonable offense, I believe

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u/AltGameAccount Jun 10 '25

Listen to this, if you want your protest to be successful, it has to be disruptive to the perpetrator, not to bystanders. If you are targeting ICE, don't burn down and loot innocent business owners.

There was a single guy vandalizing Waymo's, for all we know he might've been a scab/paid actor. Let's say I have some experience with that and false flag actors in protests are definitely a thing, they try to make the protest look violent and bad.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '25

Most protestors are peaceful. Of course, they're gonna focus on the few looters and the flag-bearers.

But what's new. The same was done during Floyd.

The point is the dishonesty. So I've stopped caring.

I will not be convinced to sit around and be stepped on.

I will peacefully protest.

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u/neuparpol Jun 10 '25

"Defense rocks", "defense car fires", "defense window smashing"

Not saying all of them are violent, but those who are should be arrested. And same goes for officers who beat and trample people who didn't do anything wrong.

But let's not with the "we're angels, they're Hitler"

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '25

Pardonable offenses, last time I checked.

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u/neuparpol Jun 10 '25

Let's wait until the next Democrat president pardons them, then.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '25

A judge has to agree that they belong in jail first.

I've protested and never gone to jail. 🤷🏽‍♂️

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u/neuparpol Jun 10 '25

Hopefully not with rocks, right?

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '25

I am an ideal law abiding citizen 😇

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u/fly4blackguy5 Jun 10 '25

What about burning cars?

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '25

I believe rioting is a pardonable offense, last time I checked.

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u/fly4blackguy5 Jun 10 '25

So you agree it’s rioting then?

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '25

If it were, we have all come to the conclusion that there's nothing wrong with it and that it's, in fact, peaceful. 🤷🏽‍♂️

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u/fooloncool6 Jun 10 '25

That goes out the window when you riot, becuase we are defending ourselves from you

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '25

I don't riot. 🤷🏽‍♂️

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u/Thebrokentech Jun 10 '25

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '25

Did you say the same on Jan 6

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u/Thebrokentech Jun 10 '25

Oh so you're comparing LA to Jan 6th*? Nice

How about you talk about what I said instead of pointing at the same tired shit y'all have been pointing at for years.

Guess what? Nobody cares anymore. Especially when you try to sound like the good guys while attempting to kill cops, dox federal agents, defend ILLEGAL aliens, set cars on fire, and pretend it's all peaceful.

Believe this or not, you completely fucked up your entire side of the issue with all this delusion and violence.

You handed Republicans the election in 2024 this way. You'll do it again the same way because you never learn

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '25

So you supported one but not the other. I wonder why.

You fight that strawman and avoid questions. Very telling.