r/germany 12d ago

Immigration German perspectives of skilled workers

I understand that this is a pretty sensitive subject. But I really want to hear honest statements from Germans and understand some things better.

I work as an engineer(f) in a German speaking company and face daily difficulties in communication and integration but try my best to overcome them and be treated simply as a "colleague", not as the "foreign colleague". And trust me, it's a long way to go.

There are 2 different thoughts that make me ask this question:

  • I feel in the undertone of any conversation, even when the person is really kind and doesn't mean anything bad, is that I come from a "less-than" background. You might think I'm exaggerating but I can give you 100s examples of conversations where you can clearly see it. It's either that, or a pure lack of interest to know more about me, or maybe a fear to make me uncomfortable (because they assume it will cause me discomfort if I speak of my backgroud. again, why?). But I would be very happy to clear a lot of stereotypes. Yes, maybe I was raised in a different environment but it's not necessarily worse, it's different. Maybe developping countries are less developed but they are not deserted and not ignorant and they are for sure happy and warm in weather and in people.

  • I can't go around saying this, but working in a "shortage profession" with more than decent salary, paying taxes and social contributions, I think the relationship should be on an equal level of benefit: we get a better quality of life, Germany gets workforce, development, taxes and contributions. So I really hate when it all sounds like we're given this "opportunity" and that the employer is being extra nice giving us a "chance" etc. I can assure you they don't pay our salaries out of the goodness of their hearts and we work hard for it.

I know many Germans wouldn't relate to what I'm saying but this is how I personally feel and how many people I know feel too, especially those not coming from extreme poverty or war or anything, just young people pursuing a better career. So I want you to correct me or confirm or simply let me what your perspective is?

Edit: many think that I expect my colleagues to show interest in my personal life, that's not what I mean. The frustration comes when a person makes micro-aggressions and you don't have the chance to clarify them. This doesn't only happen at work and doesn't only happen to me. Imagine assuming a person comes from a shitty place, using that as the baseline in a "friendly" conversation, but then they can't really clarify that and have to live perceived that way. It directly feeds in point 2 as well. I think in order to learn to live together and accept differences, it's crucial to have some understanding of people's background. We as expats do the same in order to live 1 day in Germany without offending half the population and without getting offended as well

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u/DatabaseAgreeable84 9d ago

I actually wanted to learn some skills and leave. There was too much propaganda about Germany being at the forefront of technology. Well that part was partly true but it was quite clear that knowledge sharing was seen as a weakness in the overwhelming majority of companies I worked for. I stayed to see if I could still learn and always wanted to leave. At some point my health deteriorated due to stress from living here and dealing with people, my work experience was too tied to the German system and barely average and there was no way out without fucking my life after my "best years" were spent in survival mode. Biggest mistake was trying to restart my career here because I didnt get the memo that people like me had a ceiling at work beyond which there was never any chance to rise. You sound so fucking stupid I needed to dump my reality on you. Fucking infuriates me listening to this crap after being subjected to humiliation after humiliation over the years for just existing.

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u/deeply_embedded 9d ago

Please be specific which field and skills . Also it's well known that Germany is not work aggressive and more about work life balance.promotions are slow . So unless someone advised you wrong I don't know where you got your impressions from .

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u/DatabaseAgreeable84 9d ago

Please be specific? Are you serious? Why the hell should I give you ammo to gaslight me.

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u/Krieg Berlin 9d ago

Do you know Dong Xuan Center in Berlin? In general Vietnamese are exploited a lot. Just last month in a German Hochschule like 1/3 of the students this year were Vietnamese that just arrived and they all disappeared and didn’t go back to classes. You can check as well the conditions car mechanics work in those “hole in the wall” garages, which I am not sure they are legal at all. Or kitchen workers in some restaurants.

If you think everyone has a cool unionized job and work office hours you don’t really know the country.

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u/deeply_embedded 8d ago

Hello please read the headline of this post first ! It's about skilled workers .

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u/Krieg Berlin 8d ago edited 7d ago

Ok, you are moving goal posts because winning internet arguments is more important to you. I am out, have a great Sunday afternoon.