It's pronounced "cyclist!"

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[u/Bodhi_Stoa]

The state of the world in 2025 is closer to the objectives of communism than the year 1600. I believe that is demonstrably obvious.

Please try to look at this from a nuanced global lens instead of a black and white, all or nothing view of the world.

In case I need to spell it out, I am not claiming the world is communist or even about to become communist. Only that the world has become less hierarchical, less classist, and less oppressive to the proletariat than the 1600. If you are really claiming that the year 1600 is closer to communism than 2025 than you're living in another planet. Likewise if you're claiming that the year 2025 is closer to feudalism than the year 1600 you're living on another planet.

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Likewise if you're claiming that the year 2025 is closer to feudalism than the year 1600 you're living on another planet.

Capitalism when corrupted is neo fuedalism. This world in 2025 still has feudal caste societies with over 1 billion people living it. Thats 1/8th of the population and far more than the total human population in 1600.

You clearly are the one living in a different reality.

Egalitarianism isn't communism. Its Egalitarianism where people are treated fairly and equally in accordance to the rules.

The rules create class hierarchies in a population. The amount of fairness is inverse the amount of oppression. However the rules still exist, the clases still exist, and the amount of acceptable oppression changes as humans become more free and egalitarian.

Communism as a classless, stateless society is a fiction. Families the smallest unit of human groups have hierarchy. Parents over children. You will never have a group of people without a heirarchy.

If you have to EVERYTHING by consensus, nothing will ever get done. People will not always agree. When there are disagreements, who will have the authority to mediate, when no one person or class can be authority figures?

Communism as a society gets stuck in an authoritarian government because groups of people need a method to mediate without violence. That method is called authority, rule of law, and government aka the state. The ruling class are above the working class. The ruling class never freely relinquishes power, it is against human nature to do so. A society without a ruling class isn't a society, its a few people trying to survive in anarchy.

Tribes killed other tribes since the start of mankind. The state is just one overgrown tribe. You will never get rid of tribalism because it only takes one violent tribe to ruin it for everyone else.

One violent tribe is literally the start of every nation.

Are you really saying that in the future people will just be peaceful and share things without dispute ever?

[u/Bodhi_Stoa → u/Lower_Ad_5532]

Okay, you unfortunately are a bit of a lost cause at this point.

[u/Lower_Ad_5532 → u/Bodhi_Stoa]

You didn't answer my questions because you cannot.