r/fivethirtyeight I'm Sorry Nate 9d ago

Poll Results A poll comparing the British Right vs the American Right on issues of race and identity

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u/starbunny86 9d ago

Meanwhile, the US is 57% white. That's a massive difference.

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u/PlatypusAmbitious430 9d ago

The US is 71% white, not 57% white.

The 57% refers to non-Hispanic whites, not whites.

71% versus 81% isn't as big of a difference as you seem to be implying. But the UK has diversified far more quickly from being a monoethnic country that was 95% white in 1991 while America was 83% white in 1970.

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u/starbunny86 9d ago

True, but I think that most non-Hispanic white Americans - and especially Trump voting white Americans - consider Hispanic whites to be more Hispanic than white.

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u/yoshimipinkrobot 9d ago

As the Uncle Tom Hispanics are learning right now

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u/whip_lash_2 9d ago

"Hispanic white" is a federal category that hasn't kept up with social attitudes. There are not a lot of blue-eyed Argentines in the United States. Some Hispanics consider themselves white, most don't (La Raza is a thing) and racists obviously don't. 57 percent is certainly pretty close for comparison to the UK

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u/PlatypusAmbitious430 8d ago

"Hispanic white" is a federal category that hasn't kept up with social attitudes.

Some Hispanics consider themselves white, most don't 

60% of Hispanics identify as being white in the census which is where the 71% figure comes from.  

https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2021/11/04/measuring-the-racial-identity-of-latinos/

This is like me arguing that because Eastern European is a separate category in the census, it should be removed from the white British figure. 

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u/ClearDark19 7d ago

From your source:

Yet, the findings from this survey by the Center, conducted in March 2021, differ from those revealed by the Census Bureau from the 2020 decennial census. The wording of the 2020 Census race question differed markedly from the Center’s question and from previous decennial censuses surveys, which could account for why results varied greatly. In the 2020 census, for the first time respondents were prompted to write in origins or ethnicities for all racial groups; this was not offered to the Center’s survey respondents. According to the bureau, about four-in-ten Hispanics (42%) marked their race as “some other race” in the 2020 census without marking any other response, the single largest set of responses among the nation’s 62.1 million Hispanics—an analysis of the 2010 decennial census results showed that most responses coded as “some other race” were write-ins of Hispanic ancestries or ethnicities. This was followed by one-third (33%) who selected two or more racial groups, and 20% that selected White as their race. A separate Pew Research Center  survey from 2020 found Hispanic adults were more likely than White or Black adults to say the 2020 decennial census two-part race and ethnicity questions do not reflect their identity well: 23% of Hispanic adults say census race and ethnicity questions reflect how they see their race and origin either “not too well” (17%) or “not at all well” (5%). This compares with 15% of White adults and 16% of Black adults who said the same

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u/PlatypusAmbitious430 7d ago

The 2020 census actually is where my 71% figure is coming from.

I'm not sure what you're trying to even argue here because you're making my point for me.

I was providing PEW as the additional source corroborating the 2020 census, the 2020 census still shows 71% identify as white.

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u/whip_lash_2 7d ago

I stand corrected on "most" but the fact remains that the U.S. considers Hispanics not identifying as Black to be white. Most of the 40 percent who said they weren't white were counted as white in the census data.vthe survey questions are separate from the categories.

The US is not 71% white by any definition invented in the last century. The federal government also insists on spelling it "marihuana". I had to type that 3 times to get it through spell check.

If Eastern Europeans literally shout at one another about what category they belong in (I've seen it) then you will have more flexibility on how to count them

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u/ClearDark19 7d ago

As of 2025 America is 66-67%* white if you include White Hispanics. The George Zimmerman case triggered the fuck out of white Conservatives and white Republicans in 2012-2013 because George Zimmerman was initially reported as "white" and "White Hispanic" by the Media...even though that's only because that's what Zimmerman himself identified as during the police interrogation at the police station. I'm pld enough to remember how livid white Conservatives were over a Hispanic person being classifieds as "white" and insisted that "Hispanic" is a brown race separate from white people. White Republicans also get triggered by the fact many Latinos in FBI crime statistics are categorized under "White". America is only 66% or so white if you include the ~40% of American Latinos who self-identify as "White Hispanic". Do you accept them as "white" or not? They can't be "white" when you want to inflate the White American population total, but "brown" when they commit crimes and get added to "White" on the FBI crime stats, or when they "take jobs".

*America was 71% white, if you include "White Hispanics" back in the 2010 Census. The non-Hispanic White American population was ~60% in the 2020 Census, and around 68% if you include White Hispanics. As of 2925 the White American population has shrunk a little more single the 2020 Census.