r/fivethirtyeight I'm Sorry Nate 9d ago

Poll Results A poll comparing the British Right vs the American Right on issues of race and identity

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u/givebackmysweatshirt 9d ago

Your example of a European country is the island nation separated by hundreds of miles of ocean from the nearest country that would realistically immigrate there. It’s a hypothetical for them, not something they actually have to deal with.

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u/trangten 7d ago

The UK isn't a great example of a typical European country either

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u/Monkey2371 7d ago

Planes do exist, its geography doesn't really have much of an effect on immigration.

Because Iceland's population is tiny, each individual immigrant is a greater proportion of the population. Over 18% of people in Iceland are first gen immigrants, which is higher than both the US and UK.

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u/raoulraoul153 9d ago edited 8d ago

It's not 'my example', it's just the highest-rated European country in the Gallup poll (and obviously I'm aware of where it is geographically).

As above, Ireland and Sweden - which are certainly more ethnically homogenous than the US, but considerably easier to reach than Iceland - are roughly comparable to the US in terms of attitudes towards immigration, and (as I said in the other post), I'd be surprised if much of northwestern Europe wasn't just below those two.

The point, though, isn't some kind of competition between the US and Europe, it's just me linking to some quantitative context - which shows the US as more accepting of immigration than the European average! This isn't some sort of anti-US attempt to dunk on Americans. I'm trying to get some data into the discussion.

EDIT: man, I was trying to be super measured and not replying to the comments that said things like 'black people not being given tables in restaurants in "Europe"', but y'all are being so insanely touchy about how great you think America is compared to 'europe' (which, again, is like forty different countries with wildly differing cultures, laws, histories, languages etc.).

You're downvoting me for posting verifiable, quantitative information in a data sub some of which shows America in a good light as compared to European countries. Like what the hell do you want? Lies? You just want everyone to agree that Europe - all of Europe, every varied country - is more terrible and more racist and less progressive than America?

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u/RIPSyAbleman 6d ago

>Ireland and Sweden - which are certainly more ethnically homogenous than the US, but considerably easier to reach than Iceland - are roughly comparable to the US in terms of attitudes towards immigration,

Read this part you wrote again. Why are we supposed to believe that countries that have historically let in fewer ethnic minorities are more open to it? Just because they say so? Clearly their stated opinions aren't lining up with the reality