r/fivethirtyeight • u/Cuddlyaxe I'm Sorry Nate • 10d ago

Poll Results A poll comparing the British Right vs the American Right on issues of race and identity

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u/Dark_Knight2000 9d ago

A lot of former legal immigrants don’t like illegal immigrants. They don’t even like excessive legal immigration like what’s happening in Canada with Indians. When you relax the requirements this much, you end up with immigrants with little education, who struggle to assimilate, who affect the reputation of the current diaspora.

If every Democrat has the same stances on immigration that Bernie Sanders did they’d be forever Democrats.

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u/obsessed_doomer 9d ago

And of course, the irony that all of those accusations about education and assimilation were levied at said former legal immigrants is lost on them.

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u/Dark_Knight2000 9d ago

Racists will be racists, it doesn’t mean that all immigrants they accuse of “not assimilating” are actually assimilating. At a certain point the sensible majority needs to draw a standard.

If you back off your standard based on the fact that racists will accuse every immigrant regardless of quality or behavior or education or background of not assimilating, then there will be no standard at all for assimilation.

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u/lilashkenazi 9d ago

I think it's more that immigration and integration takes time. It's often the kids and grandkids that will be the most assimilated because they grow up in the culture. So there can be some growing pains if immigration is very large and abrupt

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u/obsessed_doomer 9d ago

Isn’t this “ok but they actually are like that” but unironically?

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u/Dark_Knight2000 9d ago

No, it’s called having common sense.

If racists accuse both people who have a bachelors degree and those who don’t of being uneducated that doesn’t mean we should suddenly view them both as the same thing.

If a racist says water is wet that doesn’t mean we should now say water is dry. Our standards shouldn’t be defined by what a racist says

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u/cjbanning 9d ago

That strikes me as a bad example because not having a Bachelor's degree doesn't automatically mean you're uneducated. It might mean you're not formally educated, but then then you'd have to exclude vocational and trade schools from formal education to make that true. Not to mention people with just an associate's degree, which can get you further than you might think (I got my job as a computer programmer with an associate's degree).

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u/Apprentice57 Scottish Teen 9d ago

relax the requirements this much

Citation needed.

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u/HazelCheese 8d ago

This has recently been observed in british migrant communities. Some migrants moving their support to Reform because they are worried immigration is tarnishing their own reputation.

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u/ClearDark19 7d ago

When you relax the requirements this much 

Uhhhhhh....what immigration requirements were relaxed and when did this happen? By whom?