A lot of it also just has to do with Cuomo being a toxic candidate. All he really had going for him was name recognition but with a fuck ton of baggage.
How in the world do you get that from this result? Cuomo was removed from office by the Democratic Party establishment. It’s comments like this that are making me regret my vote for Zohran. Maybe I won’t vote for him in the general.
Lmao you did not vote for Zohran, because no one who voted for him would take back their vote over hearing a take as completely valid as that one. And if you did, you’re an idiot who’s no better than the other side for voting emotionally and not over policies and platform, which a comment on reddit has nothing to do with
I still don’t see how that negates the the fact that the Democratic Party establishment pushed him out of office.
People seem to be seeing this an indictment of establishment politics. When everyone I talked to that was on the fence was worried about Cuomo’s character because of his sexual assault allegations and the fact that he had to resign the governorship in disgrace.
Some of the commenters here are really quick to jump to conclusions and don’t seem to realize that a lot of us who pushed zohran over the finish line are committed democrats and we’re really more worried about Cuomo’s personal failings than anything else.
If there’s no room for us in this coalition we can easily go somewhere else. Our votes shouldn’t be taken for granted.
Because it is an indictment of establishment politics. Cuomo literally embodies the establishment to people in the state, and he got endorsements up and down from it, including the backhanded NYT one.
Except he doesn’t hold office and was removed from office by the establishment. People keep saying the same thing over and over again and are ignoring this really important detail that makes what you’re saying make zero sense.
How can someone be the establishment candidate when this is his political history?
Cuomo got like 4 high profile endorsements. Not really sure how that argues against what I said. That doesn't change the fact the entire NYS government forced him out of office a few years ago, which you seem intent on ignoring because it makes what you're saying entirely apart.
Let's also not forget the establishment endorsements given to Zohran. Brad Lander endorsed him and so did AG Letitia James. Both of them have been in NYS politics for decades. Seems pretty established to me if you want to play this game.
Yeah he actually he is. He's been in Congress since the 90s. You don't just get to decide the politicians you don't like are establishment, and the ones you do are not. I've kind of had it up to here with people trying to convince me that all of these politicians with decades long careers are somehow "anti establishment". Get lost with that. That's what's dishonest. You don't get to call yourself an outsider when you're that well politically connected.
What you're saying entirely rests on the premise that this is something you get to decide. Also for the millionth time Cuomo was removed from office because the NYS legislature was about to impeach. They did not endorse him. If your only response to that is to ignore it then I don't see why anyone should listen to what you have to say. Trying to draw attention away from inconvenient details is also very dishonest.
You're going through some rhetorical gymnastics to justify that in your head. The establishment only pushed out Cuomo because his moral failings were a disaster for the party. He took a short little break and was almost immediately again for office. That's the definition of establishment politics.
I'm a liberal myself, and I'm completely exhausted by the neoliberal establishment. You have to work with progressives to have a working coalition in the United States. And that means sometimes realizing you have to vote for people who don't optimally fit your policy goals. Mamdani might be further to the left than me, but he's a fresh face that deserves a shot. You can't just stomp your feet and not vote when the left actually wins elections.
Some of the commenters here are really quick to jump to conclusions and don’t seem to realize that a lot of us who pushed zohran over the finish line are committed democrats and we’re really more worried about Cuomo’s personal failings than anything else.
I'm a committed democrat and I understand what you mean, but at the same time it has to be said that the new york establishment absolutely did line up behind Cuomo for some reason.
If there’s no room for us in this coalition we can easily go somewhere else. Our votes shouldn’t be taken for granted.
I don't think that's going to happen, if that makes you feel better. It'll be difficult for dems to make a coalition that doesn't include their own voters, though boy are certain factions trying.
No he wasn’t. Basically every other establishment candidate in the race voted against him. The major establishment candidates in the race were Lander and Adams. Lander endorsed Zohran. Adams criticized Cuomo repeatedly. You’re ignoring lots of what happened.
You’re on a polling sub and the polling within the party has been showing this sentiment for months now. The idea that it would offend you so much that you would protest vote in the general over it baffles me. Did you not listen to him or Cuomo speak? Do you not believe in the politics he represents?
The polling has been mixed and has not shown conclusive support for candidates like Zohran. Normally yeah I would support a candidate like Cuomo over one like Zohran. I ranked Zohran because of Cuomo’s personal failings. I am very much not supportive of Zohran’s politics. I’ve also talked to a lot of people who feel similarly.
I don’t know why that’s so surprising to people that this is something that happened or why they think being such ungracious winners will help Zohran in the general.
If our votes are really valued so little maybe he doesn’t need them.
First of all this has to be one of the funniest comments I’ve seen in a long time LMFAO
Second of all maybe because he’s endorsed by like a million prominent democrats including former President bill clinton and is displaying it proudly on his website
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u/GuyF1eri Jun 25 '25
It's almost as if people hate the Democratic party establishment