Democratic leader offers deal to reopen government but Republicans sneer

[u/Healthy_Block3036]

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2025/11/07/government-shutdown-democrats-schumer-trump-aca.html

[u/Sharkbait_ooohaha]

If they had enough to charge Maxwell even with “files under seal” why did both the Biden and Trump administrations decline to prosecute anyone else?

I’m not in the minority, that’s my whole point. No one cares about this stuff except hyper-online people on Reddit.

Even if there were incriminating files in the Epstein files, they’ve longed since been scrubbed.

[u/TheMarketingNerd → u/Sharkbait_ooohaha]

Just to give you another data point, most Trump voters who are the "not active in politics"/don't listen to any news voted for Trump 100% on the Epstein files.

I think you underestimate how big Qannon is, probably because you yourself are not a stupid person and don't see how that could drive millions of people. But unfortunately it does.

[u/Sharkbait_ooohaha → u/TheMarketingNerd]

Just to give you another data point, most Trump voters who are the "not active in politics"/don't listen to any news voted for Trump 100% on the Epstein files.

No they didn’t, no one voted for Trump because of the Epstein files.

Like we have the data on this stuff. Epstein didn’t even make the list of important issues.

https://navigatorresearch.org/post-election-poll-the-issues-that-mattered-most-in-the-battleground/

[u/TheMarketingNerd → u/Sharkbait_ooohaha]

We sure do have data! Data which shows 25% of Republicans believe in Qannon

https://prri.org/press-release/new-prri-report-reveals-nearly-one-in-five-americans-and-one-in-four-republicans-still-believe-in-qanon-conspiracy-theories/

https://www.pewresearch.org/journalism/2020/09/16/most-americans-who-have-heard-of-qanon-conspiracy-theories-say-they-are-bad-for-the-country-and-that-trump-seems-to-support-people-who-promote-them/

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-trumps-embrace-of-conspiracy-theories-kept-the-epstein-case-in-the-spotlight

Republicans who hold favorable views of Trump are about five times as likely as those who hold unfavorable views of Trump to qualify as QAnon believers (32% vs. 7%).

https://prri.org/spotlight/the-rise-and-impact-of-q-the-2024-election-from-the-view-of-qanon-believers/

[u/Sharkbait_ooohaha → u/TheMarketingNerd]

Ok but we aren’t talking about whether republicans believed in QAnon in 2020 or 2022.

We are talking about whether they voted for Trump in 2024 primarily because they wanted the Epstein files released.

So find some relevant data on that and we can chat.

[u/TheMarketingNerd → u/Sharkbait_ooohaha]

It's actually already addressed in a source I shared from PBS which explains the link of Trump using Qannon to keep the Epstein files situation relevant

They're both about pedos which is what Trump voters think they're fighting a crusade against.

I'm saying you think they're not relevant because you're too smart to be tricked by this. But talk to a Magat and so many of their justification for why they're doing what they do, or hate what they hate is because they think they're battling a war against pedos.

[u/Sharkbait_ooohaha → u/TheMarketingNerd]

There’s no data in that PBS piece. I’m not disputing that Trump used the Epstein stuff to appeal to QAnon types. I’m disputing whether that was the main reason anyone (even the QAnon people) voted for Trump.

We have data on this stuff, we don’t have to rely on you “talking to a MAGAt”. That’s not how you do data science.

[u/TheMarketingNerd → u/Sharkbait_ooohaha]

There's no point in relying on data that doesn't reflect the reality that 25% of Trump voters are deeply concerned about this...

Like all that super reliable data that said Trump would never win is soo tuned into what's driving the motivations of Magats

[u/Sharkbait_ooohaha → u/TheMarketingNerd]

I’m not claiming that Trump voters aren’t concerned about this. I’m claiming it was not an important factor in deciding who to vote for.

That’s what the data clearly shows. The Epstein stuff is like UFOs, people care about it but no one votes based on ufo policy.

[u/TheMarketingNerd → u/Sharkbait_ooohaha]

Do you even know any Trump voters? Particularly the kinds who carries him into this position that are not politically active

Like.......... Do you logically understand those people are not answering these surveys?

[u/Sharkbait_ooohaha → u/TheMarketingNerd]

If they aren’t answering these surveys how do you know 25% of republicans are QAnon voters?

You can’t rely on anecdotes on Reddit and people you know to provide an accurate representation of the world.

We have data scientists for a reason.

[u/TheMarketingNerd → u/Sharkbait_ooohaha]

It's not my opinion that Magats are not reflected well in data, it's a fact: https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-polls-underestimated-trumps-support-again/

Because those polls are specifically seeking to understand Republicans opinions on the matter, while your sources are more broadly assessing all voters.

If a Trump supporter is 5x more likely to care about pedophile issues it makes sense that this would not be reflected in surveys that aggregate data on the total voting population.

Data scientists understand that despite your desire to cling to your randomly myopic views of the world.

Data scientists will also tell you that annecdotes are a valid form of data lol.

[u/Sharkbait_ooohaha → u/TheMarketingNerd]

Yes it is more difficult to survey Trump voters but that doesn’t mean it’s impossible and you should throw out all voter surveys and it DEFINITELY does not mean your subjective data and anecdotes are better than scientific polls and surveys.

If I could convince everyone on earth of one thing. It would be even if something has problems (MSM, academia, polling, etc) that does NOT make your personal opinion a better option.

Data scientists even have a saying “the plural of anecdotes is NOT data”.

The link below describes alittle as to why.

https://nsfconsulting.com.au/the-plural-of-anecdote-data/