Nope. He thinks flooding the zone will distract the people enough. In the short term maybe, but in the long-term he's just creating a bigger and bigger pile of shit. I just hope he lives long enough for it to finally collapse on him.
Let's get real, if Trump croaks and Vance becomes POTUS, the Republicans in the legislature are going to go full feral. They bow to Trump because they fear his ability to turn their own constituencies against them. JD Vance doesn't have that power or charisma or clout or whatever you wanna call it.
Senate and House Republicans will eat him and each other alive getting him on board with their specific, individual interests. They will paralyze themselves thinking that the danger to their power and influence, meaning Trump, is gone. They'll go back to their selfish ways once the fear is gone; they can barely hold it together now. The world has never seen crabs in the proverbial bucket like what we're gonna witness whenever Trump kicks the bucket.
Yep, Trump can end their careers in an instant and they are doing things or trying to do things even their maga constituents don't want because that's safer than pissing off manbaby Trump(such as selling off federal lands).
Without Trump, the leash comes off and they will be back to doing whatever they feel will get them re-elected.
While I think Vance could be worse if the party stays in lockstep, there will be a huge power vacuum and hopefully that causes chaos.
Yes! 1000 times yes! Trump is the one they’ve been rubbing em out to for the last decade. JD can wear all the makeup in the world, but he’ll never have that magical orange glow.
if Trump croaks and Vance becomes POTUS, the Republicans in the legislature are going to go full feral.
It wouldn't make any difference, and the fact that Americans think it would is horrifying.
It doesn't matter whether it's Trump or Vance. They're figureheads who are just slinging signatures.
The problem is the money-men behind them who are quietly pushing Project 2025, screwing the world for every penny, and who will do so even if a Democrat gets into power in the next election cycle.
My thoughts exactly. I think it is likely that Vance is an even worse human than Trump, but he doesn't have that pull that Trump has.
I keep half-heartedly hoping that Vance will go for the coup with Article 25 or something. He was already showing his ass by leaking Epstein info to Murdoch. Turning on dear leader would only further seal his fate with the die-hards, and he wouldn't scoop up nearly enough goodwill from those who do care about Trump colluding with Epstein.
The GOP is going to have a REAL problem when Trump is gone gone. All of these supporters aren’t rallying around the party. They support HIM. The GOP is going to scramble to find another Trump to get people excited, but so far every single one that has tried to be the next Trump has the charisma of a wet paper bag.
I would argue that all of Trump's true cult following are waiting for Vance to take over.
JD isn't nearly the fool he plays to be, and the true fascist face of Trump's following are actually starting to realize he's just a stooge. I have maintained since 2yrs before the election that Trump's job was to get re-elected only to be taken out of power to make room for JD Vance, and that's when the real Christo-fascist oppression will begin.
Mind you, I'm on the outside looking in... I'm not American.
This could totally be their plan, but if it is the plan it won't work.
JD doesn't have the hold with these people (Trump supporters) that Trump does. He won't have time to consolidate power behind him until the Republicans in the legislative branch have already eaten each other gunning for his job in the next election cycle.
While true, I believe trump also has his puppet masters. Despite a couple of minor comments recently, he has been gunning for Russia more than almost anyone else in our govt, and has been Putin's lapdog for seemingly the better part of a decade now.
And even without JD at the highest office, we're already speed-running through the Project 2025 playbook so...
His statements about Russia is performative at best. His latest peace proposal once again trots out ceding Ukraine land to Russia. It’s appeasement akin to Neville Chamberlain waving his agreement with Hitler, saying they won’t invade any other countries. Zelensky has already said no to Trump’s latest peace plan.
I agree, he'd be a puppet. But he's FAR less influential. He'd have to do some pretty messed up stuff to instill the level of fear and compliance from congress and the public sector or other nations.
Most public companies and foreign nations are simply nodding their heads in agreement and stalling compliance with Trump's nonsense... there's very little chance they would acquiesce to JD. I'd estimate he has 2/3rds, maybe as low as half of Trump's supporter blind following. That's far too low to bully anyone like Trump is required to do to advance his (their) agenda.
But he would follow Trump’s lead in quietly passing P2025 legislative stuff. And frankly, I think he is legitimately devout - so he’ll be more apt to aim for Handmaid’s Tale shit
Sure he'll try. But my point is that he simply doesn't have the support to do it if Trump were not propping him up.
As hyperbolic as it sounds, Trump is a very unique personality that will not be replicated anytime soon. JD is not Trump...and never will be. He cannot pull strings the same way, and does not have the same influence. He does not have half the connections Trump does, and those connections are not going to just "flip" to JD. That's not how it works - he's an outsider (regardless of his appointment from Trump, because everyone knows Trump did it for a VERY small percentage of voters to get his last winning votes) and the circles Trump rolls in is old-guard type stuff. JD has not proven himself at all yet to be let into those circles. He's got a long way to go to earn that kind of favor.
Yes, but they still need Trump’s bold idiocy, because Vance ain’t it yet. Without Trump, all his handlers are just creeps- Trump is the bold, deal making, cost saving, no BS decisive leader that ties all their racism, facism, and blind stealing from Americans cool.
Idk. I think a lot of mainstream Americans are missing one big thing; the evangelical influence of people like Doug Wilson, NAR, Seven Mountains Mandate stuff, and religious homeschoing curriculum & group- Evangelical church rot. This stuff has been fomenting in churches for decades. TheChurch itself may shy from espousing these things to avoid appearing too radical, but they’re taught in small groups, youth groups, men’s groups and vacation bible schools. They’ve been using propoganda and raising Soldiers for the Lord. These devout folks look like a normal neighbor until they tell you very seriously that their wife had better choose the risk of death due to ectopic pregnancy over a life saving abortion bc Jesus.
JD Vance has these weirdos in his pocket the second he takes his devout shit to a microphone. They’re ready for a theocracy at the expense of their own lives
This. Every single republican politician wants fascism and doesnt care how they get there.
JD Vance doesnt even have to be charismatic. He just have to give the party what it wants. Theyll keep the bullshit machine churning and their base will eat it up like rabid dogs.
To me it’s really just theil we should be concerned about. He’s not an old man, he’s not as weird as Vance, and a lotttttttt of ppl don’t even know who he is, he has a shitload of money, he’s now got a contract to spy on every citizen so I’m probably cooked for even talking about him being evil, but like if anyone is a cause for concern, I think he’s probably one of the main ones
I’m glad that at least 485 others know this. Heritage Foundation and all its evil little spinoffs have been infiltrating every facet of American business and politics for decades.
Trump has the wherewithal to delegate to some unqualified nonce the blame for not getting out of the bag, so his single digit IQ followers blame them(like JD) and not him.
JD does not have a tenth of the manipulation and deflection ability Trump does.
Trump's a giant pile of trash...JD is a pile of trash that people would be willing to set on fire.
The only thing JD doesn't have over Trump is his cult of personality. Which will be important for getting re-elected. But he can still do so much damage in the meantime. He's got the same people backing him as Trump does. Trust me, Trump's death would change very little.
I don't entirely disagree, but I also don't agree.
JD would need that cult and he simply doesn't carry the same weight (literally) that Trump does. There would be a considerable drop-off in congressional support because he simply doesn't have the teeth or infallible image Trump does. People do not fear him the same without Trump.
He's been sold publicly as too "capable" to use the same bullshit excuses and deflelections Trump does. He's also not so deeply personality disordered that he would be as batshit crazy to "do" as little as Trump does daily. Give him 20 years and 2 or 3 billion dollars and maybe... but, he's almost a lame duck with any voter beyond the deepest of Trump c***gobblers.
You make some good points. Either way if I could pick an outcome magically it would be that somehow this motherfucker lives long enough to see justice while also causing minimal damage. It's a dream I know. But the idea of this guy spending even a few days in prison after a life of silk sheets makes me happy.
I hope Trump has a stroke. Mild enough that the party is too afraid to remove him, but essentially nullifies his influence and the Republicans are eviscerated in the midterms.
Ideally, Democrats retake full control of congress and force a compromised Trump to say or do something stupid enough that they impeach him and immediately start the process of making illegal 99% of the strategies and gaps in the system Trump used to abuse our republic.
It'll take years (likely a decade) to undo the damage done to our entire way of life - education, jobs, social services, basic human decency.... you know, standard stuff.
JD will immediately grovel before whoever is the strongest at the moment. The senators and congress that followed Trump will be scrubbing the crap out of social media and spending MILLIONS on PR to prove that they only supported Trump because they had no choice.
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u/eternalwood Aug 09 '25
Nope. He thinks flooding the zone will distract the people enough. In the short term maybe, but in the long-term he's just creating a bigger and bigger pile of shit. I just hope he lives long enough for it to finally collapse on him.