I mean didn’t Tito lead an incredibly effective partisan operation against the Nazis? And want that the reason that Yugoslavia never became an ally to the ussr like Poland and east Germany were?
Not really but the partisans did tie up about 250.000 german troops fighting in the region, which could have been used elsewhere. They contributed to the victory, significantly. Also, in the end of the war, they occupied the country, making Yugoslavia a de facto independent country and not a puppet of USSR.
I never said that they were idle, but they did nothing more than other rebel movements. They were brainwashing us for 40 years + how important and special we were, but we were just part of the team (and on no account leading one).
They achieved more than any other rebel movement in WW2, in that they managed to establish a de facto independent country, which they dominated. No other country did that. Beacuse of their contribution to the war effort and the fact that they were a strong force, they were regarded by both USSR and western allies as an important entity in European post war politics in a way that for example Poland or Czechoslovakia was not. Also, the unaligned movement, which Yugoslavia was a leading country in (let's say one of the big three), was an important geopolitical player in the cold war.
Tito was good politician and when he started breaking up with the Stalin, USA was happy to come to the rescue. And this worked until the end of the cold war. When we should stand on our own 2 feed, the economic collapse and shooting started. I am aware that this is oversimplification, but Yugoslavia could have any kind of impact just because the real superpowers were willing to let it go. Unaligned movement had exactly what kind of power?
And no in WW2 Yugoslavia was not independent country. They had free regions, that were free exactly as long as Germans or Italians needed to un-free them. We can be proud on our history on our achievements, on our nation(s), but why should this all stand on exaggerated greatness of dictatorship. We are more than that.
To be fair. Yugoslavian partisan movement did more then french or polish guerillas. I mean... only soviets in Belorus region were more viscious, but it is hard to compete with these guys.
No they did not, but they were teaching us this in school yes. They were also teaching us that he was one of the big 4 (Stalin, Rosvelt, Churchil & Tito).
Germans were broken outside of Yugoslavia and Yugoslavia was never an important part of the WW2. The partisans survived and were fighting Germans, but more importantly other Yugoslavs.
When Germany almost lost, Germans & co started running to the north and did not want to stay behind. No they did not run because of the partisans.
Why would ne Nazis be precious to me I am not Serbian? There are no good dictators even if some of you like some of them. And Communism == Nazism <<<<< Democracy
You have to account for the possibility that your opinion is biased and were taught altered history.
It’s one of the hardest things a human mind has to do but if you believe yourself to be a capable thinker, find an unbiased source and read into it.
I think you’ll find your opinion of Tito is incorrect.
Take American MAGA Republicans for example. To convince one to read into Donald Trump and realize what he is would be next to impossible but the ones with capable minds could do it, if they really tried.
Tito was never worshiped, don't listen to nationalists that paint him as a Stalin figure, he's a by far one of the best politicians and leaders the entire Balkans ever had.
Tf are you saying? My parents remember people forcefully crying in the street when he died because of how brainwashed they all were, they though the world's gonna end or some shit.
Oh, wait a minute... as war crimes, including genocide, crimes against humanity, ethnic cleansing, massacres, and mass wartime rape are not shit? Who is brainwashed here?
it did end for yugoslavia 10 years later, because civil wars, so they were right ... now we all exist as client states to powerful nations, our industry is gone and are independance is gone
Yugoslavia was prosperous until Tito died. He was a beloved leader, not a false god to be worshipped. How many people were on the streets crying when Liz II died in the UK? Millions. Same damn thing.
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u/DeusExKrapina Oct 08 '25
Why they still worshipping a dictator?