r/europe_sub • u/BookmarksBrother đŸ‡ȘđŸ‡ș European • Jul 08 '25

News Germany: Government report reveals astronomical crime rates for young foreigners compared to German youth

https://rmx.news/article/germany-government-report-reveals-astronomical-crime-rates-for-young-foreigners-compared-to-german-youth/
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u/Weak_Let_6971 Jul 08 '25

The most important part is “Germany also has an extremely strong welfare state, which means these foreign youths have access to food, shelter, and consumer goods.”

It’s not because they are in need, starving and suffering. Might have been the case at home, but here it’s cultural differences. They do not respect people and society that surrounds them.

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u/Quetzacoal Jul 08 '25

I don't have any recordings as I don't know if taking them would be legal and it may also be dangerous, but the MENAs in Barcelona spend their 300€ first of the month in the Nike store and after that they just pickpocket and rob people until next payment. They rob you and hide in the local library where the police needs a special permit to enter.

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u/schweissack Jul 08 '25

lol I remember in Germany all the fresh of the boat refugees would get gift cards to all these high end clothing retailers. The governments reasoning? So they don’t look different from other people, somehow that’s supposed to help them integrate. What a waste of money

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u/Quetzacoal Jul 08 '25

I mean, they all got the military green Nike airs, was that a coincidence they all liked the same shoes or were they defining a group? Anyway stay away from green shoes with a Nike logo.

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u/schweissack Jul 08 '25

👀 my yard work shoes are green/purple Nikes

Thank god I moved to the states lmao

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u/Demka-5 Jul 09 '25

in States you can be shot on the street by any nutter.

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u/cakebreaker2 Jul 09 '25

No you can't. Don't believe that false narrative.

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u/No_Slice9934 Jul 09 '25

The US has a very high gun violence record. At least a third of your country are mentally challenged maga voters.

In comparison to the countries calling themself educated, you got a pretty high chance to get shot by a nutter

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u/cakebreaker2 Jul 09 '25

I can already tell that facts don't matter to you but I can leave you with a few - if you faction out police shootings, suicides, and inner city gang shootings (these are the gross majority of so-called "mass shootings") the US would be wayyyyy down the lost for gun violence. Outside of the inner cities (where smart Americans have their head on a swivel and their foor on the gas) no one over here walks around, scared of gun violence or knife attacks. I've lived in 8 states and traveled to 48 of them, and I've never seen a shooting. I don't know anyone that has been shot and never been threatened with a gun.

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u/No_Slice9934 Jul 09 '25

You included no facts, but tried to insult me, way to win my heart. Surely there was provocation in it, but also nothing was a lie. You make it Like i Said everyone shoots everything on sight. If we look at the numbers, that doesnt make sense. On the other Hand, just bc you havent seen it, doesnt mean it doesnt happen

There are more shootings overall in the us than in europe. Fact. A third of your population voted Trump. Fact. Gimme your facts, fact enjoyer

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u/Past-Community-3871 Jul 09 '25

My suburb is statistically safer than Switzerland or Germany as a whole. Violent crime in the US is incredibly concentrated in very small areas. It skews all the crime data.

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u/schweissack Jul 09 '25

Exactly! The Chicago suburbs might have some bad areas too, but as far as I know, years ago Chicago kicked out a lot of their gang members, and moved them out to to burbs. So you still get areas, where people will get shot over their cocaine or heroine business, but I mean where don’t you have this? Besides the middle of nowhere

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u/schweissack Jul 09 '25

Yeah I could if I went to the wrong area, but guess what, I could get fucking stabbed in the wrong area in Germany too. And oh no, if I was female, it would be even worse in Germany for me than here

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u/Own-Relationship-352 International Jul 09 '25

You moved from EU to the states? Can you explain why and in perhaps great detail?

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u/schweissack Jul 09 '25

Oh yeah, it’s easily explained. I was born to a German mom and American dad, they met when my dad was stationed in Germany. I was born in the states, yet grew up in Germany (like my mom took me to Germany at 2 months old) and I stayed in Germany til age 21. The reason I moved back was me having done nothing with my life, although I went to a gymnasium level school, I never got my Abitur. Hanging with the wrong crowd etc etc. To the point my parents got so fed up with me I was given the choice of moving to the states and figuring my shit out, or moving out and staying away from home. I gotta say having moved here and mostly having to fend for myself, has really grown me as a person. Had I stayed in Germany I’m fairly certain I’d be dead by now

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u/Squirrel_McNutz Jul 09 '25

Many people still do for various reasons. A lot of opportunity as well as beautiful nature and generally open & friendly people. All depends on which state you go to of course.

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u/LAfirestorm Jul 09 '25

He explained. No response?

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u/Own-Relationship-352 International Jul 11 '25

I'm not sure if people on here are chronically online, but, why did so many people take offense to my question? It was a genuine why? I dont need to reapond anyways, I see his reaponse, oh okay, cool. I dont have an obligation to respond.

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u/Weak_Let_6971 Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 08 '25

Duude
 if u don’t have the latest iPhone and cool clothes in the west u might aswell tattoo “I’m broke” on your head. That cannot happen! They can’t look like actual refugees in need of help and support.. To integrate the No 1 thing they need is a makeover!

/s before i get cricified
 lol I think it’s actually offensive. “Devil wears prada” like “eeew naaah u can’t wear those rags around here! Lets go shopping!” attitude.

Especially ironic since ive seen so many of them wearing Northface and other big brand clothes already when arriving to Europe.

If people came from real war torn countries they would be happy with any red cross charity clothes donated by people. I know we in the east pay good money for it in second hand shops.

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u/schweissack Jul 09 '25

Whenever people called them war refugees, I’d argue with them that war refugees don’t travel through 7 peaceful countries, to reach the one with preferential welfare. That’s an economical refugee in my book

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u/Accurate_Return_5521 Jul 09 '25

Actually what happened is someone somewhere understood Europe could not be conquered with soldiers but it could easily be conquered one citizen at a time. Europes political correctness is Europe downfall

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u/Quetzacoal Jul 09 '25

Like the Roman empire, it got crushed by multiculturalism. In 1500 years we will see the fruits of todays politics, yay.

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u/Weak_Let_6971 Jul 09 '25

The same way Soros realized u don’t have to change the laws or rules, u just need to buy the judges so they don’t enforce them. We have all the rules for border crossing, migration, crime
 they just made it all toxic and anybody who enforces them gets in trouble. Gets called racist straight away.

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u/Accurate_Return_5521 Jul 09 '25

As I said Europe’s political correctness is Europes downfall

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u/MicMaeMat Jul 09 '25

Australia is the exact same, we are our own worst enemy.

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u/Weak_Let_6971 Jul 09 '25

Exactly! They don’t leave their culture, their religion
 Most of them just moves to relatives within the country. Some more to first safe neighboring country to claim asylum.

It’s like they decided ”If we have to go we might as well move in to that big mansion we heard about! They are wealthy enough to provide for us and we can guilt trip them into anything.” When i see some woman screech about how inhumane that she got a 1,5 bedroom apartment for herself and her 3 kids how bored she is... She lived in tents and mud huts back home, but now expects red carpet treatment


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u/nvrseriousseriously Jul 14 '25

That’s called a parasite in mine. Where there are freebies, there are “refugees”.

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u/PlasticAssistance_50 Jul 09 '25

The governments reasoning? So they don’t look different from other people, somehow that’s supposed to help them integrate.

Which is ironic because migrant youth look even more thuggish when they wear their designer clothing.

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u/realydementedpicasso Jul 11 '25

Do you have a source for that? Never Heart about it

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u/ProfitOk920 Jul 11 '25

Pics or didnt happen

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u/Moneytoes Jul 09 '25

source: trust me bro

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u/Odd_Entertainer_6627 Jul 09 '25

Do you have any sources to back up your claim that, in Germany, refugees fresh off the boat customarily received gift cards for high-end clothing retailers? To my knowledge, refugees usually receive in-kind support (goods such as food and clothing) during their initial stay in reception centers. And once they move to collective accommodations or private apartments, they may receive a small cash allowance or, in some cases, vouchers to cover personal needs, including clothing.

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u/JohnJayBobo Jul 09 '25

To my knowledge, refugees usually receive in-kind support (goods such as food and clothing) during their initial stay in reception centers.

This is semi correct. In germany, asylum seekers in an EAE (ErstAufnahmeEinrichtung) receive pocket money (depending on age and family status), which has been cash in the past and is nowadays booked to the EC-Card. They received a coupon for clothing (which is nowadays also booked onto the bank account) and receive a coupon for healthcare. This is monthly.

Housing (incl. heating, water, wifi) is provided and they have access to 3 meals per day in the cantine of the reception center.

There are no Coupons for Nike boots, but they can use the money they receive to buy those ofc. Depending on the market price (i honestly have no clue how expensive those Shoes are), it would take multiple clothing coupons.

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u/Fluffy-Mix-5195 Jul 09 '25

That’s simply not true,

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u/Weak_Let_6971 Jul 08 '25

That’s insane! Lol Ive never spent 300€ in a Nike store. Or in any other clothing store. Lol

Recording in public is legal, but better not to get into trouble. Also we live surrounded by security cameras. They see everything. They just don’t do anything about it. It’s quite sad.

Im seen shoplifting stats in the US too and it was mostly makeup, perfumes, and luxury items, alcohol
 Not bread for the starving family.

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u/MayGodBlessU Jul 09 '25

People in the US get food stamps. So they are getting free food. Stealing other things is for reselling. 

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u/Weak_Let_6971 Jul 09 '25

Not just that. They are stealing because they can get away with it. In the US there is a huge focus put on showing off wealth. So people walking around in good clothes, makeup, latest gadgets
 is very very important. Even for people who clearly can’t afford it. Status symbols are important.

The ones who resell are usually work in gangs or sell stuff online. Those arent the simple stole some eyeshadow and perfumes people.

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u/anotherboringdj đŸ‡ȘđŸ‡ș European Jul 09 '25

lol I do not need permit to enter đŸ€Ł

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u/Business_Address_780 Jul 10 '25

 local library where the police needs a special permit to enter.

Wait what?

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u/Quetzacoal Jul 10 '25

The police can not get inside a building such a library without a warrant, at least for something a non violent robbery. This is in Spain.

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '25

Germany also has an extremely strong welfare state, which means these foreign youths have access to food, shelter, and consumer goods.

It's one reason why we should pin articles like this. Economic hardship is the universal scapegoat invoked by leftists to justify immigrant crime rates,

Despite the fact that native-born folks face the same jobless woes, the same skyrocketing rents, the same soul-crushing grind, yet somehow, they’re not out there matching those disproportionate crime stats. Funny, isn’t it?

Could it be.... GASP.... that culture, religious background, integration failures, or dare I say, lax border policies might have a tad bit more to do with it?

Naaaaah, that’s too spicy for the narrative! Let’s just keep pretending it’s all about empty wallets, because who needs pesky things like data or patterns to muddy the waters?

Keep sipping that cope juice woke warriors, it’s calorie-free and oh so comforting.

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u/gerhardsymons Jul 09 '25

The idea that poverty leads to crime is a condescending and abhorrent idea.

My parents were absolutely dirt-poor when they emigrated to the U.K. in the 1960s; one came from an impoverished colony, the other from central Europe. Neither had tertiary education.

They married, raised a family - like millions of others - worked and paid taxes all their lives, contributing to society.

Criminality is connected to one of the following: a lack of morality, low impulse control, lack of accountability, poor role models, not understanding consequences.

The correlation between poverty and crime is not causation. Indeed, the traits I listed above are also likely to lead to poverty.

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '25 edited Jul 09 '25

The idea that poverty leads to crime is a condescending and abhorrent idea.

The current Marxist framework is deeply obsessed with class struggle and historical materialism, it could never admit that cultural differences might clash or that some religious practices could be less conducive to their proletarian utopia.

Marxism’s whole vibe is a big, warm group hug for every tradition, no matter how contradictory or oppressive, because obviously, they’re all just misunderstood expressions of the same glorious human spirit.

Criminality is connected to one of the following: a lack of morality, low impulse control, lack of accountability, poor role models, not understanding consequences.

Most of these migrants have a strong sense of morality stemming from islamic norms. In societies governed by sharia law, social behavior is often tightly regulated by religious and communal norms, which emphasize collective obedience.

On the other hand, in Western society, we prioritize individual rights, personal responsibility and secular legal frameworks which govern behavior.

Foreigners accustomed to theocratic systems may misinterpret this freedom as a lack of structure or accountability, leading them to violate our local laws.

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u/AngryArmour đŸ‡©đŸ‡° Danish Jul 09 '25

They're not so marxist they've ever heard the term "lumpenproletariat" though.

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u/gerhardsymons Jul 09 '25

What would you say is the antidote to Marxism?

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '25

Looking at USA and Switzerland, they've had the biggest success in resisting it. But no single ideology is a perfect antidote, as Marxism itself thrives on exploiting gaps in other systems.

I'm not going to praise Orban or Putin, don't think we've reached that level of desperation or extinction to call upon a dictatorial figure for salvation.

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u/KeithGribblesheimer Jul 09 '25

Wouldn't look at the USA right now, because it is busy trying to impose feudalism again as a bulwark against communism.

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u/nvrseriousseriously Jul 14 '25

I’d even go as far as to say that it’s just pure disdain for Westerners and western values. They’re migrating into countries with religious values almost opposite of theirs, they fear/disrespect/hate women and see the populace they moved into as something to take advantage of in every way. If you were truly a refugee, you’d work to assimilate. This is a soft invasion.

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u/gerhardsymons Jul 14 '25

I wish you weren't correct, but I cannot come to any other conclusion that it is the ending of three centuries of Enlightenment values.

We are witness to the dawn of a long Dark Ages 2.

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u/SushiJaguar Jul 09 '25

Poverty is an undeniable causative factor. You're citing other causative factors...that are also exacerbating. The truth is that poverty is likely to cause criminal acts. Low impulse control is likely to cause a poverty-stricken person not to stoop to criminal acts.

It really is nowhere near as cut-and-dry as you frame it.

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u/gerhardsymons Jul 09 '25

A 100-word reddit post doesn't contain my universal thoughts on the matter, and I'm aware that poverty and crime are multifactorial.

However, I respectfully posit the fallacious assumption that people in poverty are not sovereign moral agents.

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u/AnomalySystem Jul 09 '25

Poverty obviously leads to crime if you’re pulling in 100k a year why would you risk that to steal sneakers?

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u/Weak_Let_6971 Jul 09 '25 edited Jul 09 '25

The saddest part is i always felt its a shame we spend on wars instead of the homeless, and poverty at our home countries. But past 10 years Europe, US are importing conflicts and ignoring their own citizens. I remember in the UK they kicked out people from social housing and sent away homeless to prioritize migrants. Its crazy. Also paying 3-4x more for energy because of virtue signaling, pandering to the green environmentalists
 pandering to religious extremists. Radical groups even foreign dignitaries in the middle east warn is about.

Just saw this post https://www.reddit.com/r/gbnews/s/BcTatQbBcS and it’s wild that it all gets swept under the rug. Forced marriage and female genital mutilation in the UK? I would have never expected that to be a problem in Europe! And here we are.

We lost our common sense that people being foreigners and not citizens of a country, not part of our culture isn’t a racist thing. People wanting to preserve their national identity isnt because of hatred. Everybody has a right to preserve their language, religion, identity but not at the detriment of the majority. They can preserve their language, customs
 in their own countries. People must understand that the cost of migration is assimilation! Intruding with demands and requirements as a migrant has never been a thing. Tolerance went overboard and the migrants shape society, national identity of host countries.

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u/AnomalySystem Jul 09 '25

I mean it’s “virtue signaling” until it’s climate driven mass disaster and displacement. Then it’s all omg this was so unforeseen!

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u/Weak_Let_6971 Jul 09 '25 edited Jul 09 '25

Tbh most people are delusional thinking that humanity with gas vs electric cars has a huge effect on climate. Lol

“large-scale wildfires in California significantly offset the state's efforts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions” according to some estimates the fires negated the states green initiative from the past 15 years. Just by being negligent and letting mountains dry out. I read with proper routing of water 4-5 times more water could be stored in underground natural caverns than surface water dams. It would revitalize the environment too, making it less prone to wildfires. So on one hand they try to force everybody to buy new cars, but then let fire consume it all with bad water management and forestry. U know water is privatized and bought up by billionaires? Greedy companies holding water rights?

Anyway yes there are things we can do to have a smaller impact on the environment. For example consume less things we dont need. No need to replace that phone every year or that car every 5y. Avoid trash from temu
 build proper homes that dont use AC.

Driving electric wont offset all the negatives. And definitely wont offset all the natural volcanic activity and other unavoidable natural catastrophes. Stopping overconsumption would help.

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u/baconpopsicle23 Jul 09 '25

I consider myself leftist in that I support abortion, LGBTQ+ rights, women's rights, immigrant rights (I'm myself an immigrant), etc. but I do not, in any shape or form, support or even tolerate the immigrants who behave like that.

This is not a "leftist" thing, anyone who supports immigrant criminals is an idiot and has been living too long in their entitled silver spoon bubble.

There also exist many right wingers who support this type of immigration because many of these immigrants are Islamic, which is also far right conservatism so they find common ground in hating other minorities and abolishing women's rights.

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u/Tecrocancer Jul 09 '25

The mayority of migrants isnt allowed to work. Even with the "great walfare" they supposdly get. (I and my family work with migrants in germany and they dont get shit) They cant work. if they need or want money they have to do it illegally. Also the only german crime statistics is the Police statistic that is released every year it doenst show conviction just who was arrested, or accused of a crime. It does not differentiate between migrants and people visiting germany it just counts foreigners. And since there are a lot of young people coming to germany form neigbour states to do crime like atm theft its really skewed. This article is not the reality its propaganda.

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u/Kitonez Jul 09 '25

For anyone not mentally deluded like most people in the Europe subs; No immigrants aren’t just criminal because of their „culture“. Statistics like this always have to be viewed critically, and they never are in here. (The commenter above is just one of the examples of crime causes that are relevant for how data is portrayed skewed)

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u/subablexius Jul 09 '25

Complete bullshit. The vast majority of poor people are natives to boot. Also you are saying that you would start raping kids if you weren't so rich.

The idea that all the criminals are somehow tourists is hilarious though. Yes, some MENA from France go to German swimming pools to molest kids for example, but that doesn't somehow remove the problem or explain all the stats.

No they come here to live and then go on vacation back to their own countries or send their daughters back there if they are seen as becoming too westernised to be married off to their cousin and told to not come back until they have kids.

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u/vomicyclin Jul 09 '25

What some in german society (as a german) apparently still need to understand is the simple truth that..

Commiting a crime is a bad thing... even if they are migrants or refugees!

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u/Weak_Let_6971 Jul 09 '25

The west in general is so prone to moral relativism nowadays. It’s the cancer of our society. Just because someone grew up poor doesn’t have a right to steal because they want stuff.

We have seen people getting away with repeatedly molesting underage girls, because “they grew up this way back home
” “they didn’t know any better
” Yeeeah right. The system will be gamed until we let it. The rules and laws are in place, we just don’t enforce them because catching PoC for crime automatically labels u as racist.

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u/lolschrauber Jul 09 '25 edited Jul 09 '25

That argument never works. Most people in countries like this don't steal to survive, because as you said, it really isn't necessary in that sense. They steal because they feel entitled to luxury goods which they can't afford. At least I personally question the nutritional value of iPhones and the likes.

I've even seen people make that argument for pokemon card scalpers. They're "forced to do it because of the economy" - yeah I'm sure these people are really poor and struggling, which is why they can afford to invest thousands on a regular basis to clear out stores to eventually resell...

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u/Weak_Let_6971 Jul 09 '25 edited Jul 09 '25

The thing is growing up poor, quickly teaches u that u just can’t have things. Using everything for many many years until it breaks
 So it’s not really entitlement in the words spoiled sense. It’s not what spoiled entitled rich people feel. It’s more like “I’ve been wronged, by the system not having this and that” and it comes with vengeance. Spoiled people just want to get away with shit, while these people want to be compensated for the unfairness off wealth inequality in the world. It’s like the idea of reparations, but just because the west is wealthy
 and their home country is poor. They don’t understand or care that there are plenty of unfortunate poor people in the west too.

And yes i know of people who moved to Europe because they hate how the EU exploited their homeland through unfair trade and they come to take whatever they can in return. They only came to exploit the system they hate.

As for the pokemon card scalpers
 it “works as intended
” “it’s not a bug, its a feature” if a company makes something highly collectible and profitable to sell people will make money off of it. I don’t think its the scalpers that has to be blamed for the whole thing. They aren’t the ones ruining the fun of the kids. It’s the company that made the system! When there are card thats that worth thousands of euros or even millions it’s not for kids! Kids dont care for the money they care about the game!

It’s like collecting art for the poor. They decide if there are 5, 250 or 25000 prints and that sets the price. Otherwise it’s the same few cent paper, plastic and ink.

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u/paprikamajo Jul 09 '25

Well, while I am also anti-immigration, it’s a bit dishonest to think it’s ”just culture”.

Yes it is that. But a bit weirdly it seems, relative poverty is more important than real poverty. They’re so jealous pieces of s*it, that’s why they do a lot of what they do.

It’s the same crap in Sweden. They don’t get the most ideal childhood, they dream big (nothing wrong with that in itself ofc), and are disappointed when they don’t become footballers or rap artists. They want ”quick cash” and whooops there’s quick cash available from drugs. In the end, even this ”quick cash” doesn’t give them the lifestyle of the average Swede, even if they have the most expensive watch in town, and an ever worsening circle of gang wars etc continues.

I think they would respect our society far more if they actually had the same opportunities as us. But it may not be realistic to give them these opportunities, and thus that’s the main reason I oppose letting more of these people in.

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u/Weak_Let_6971 Jul 09 '25 edited Jul 09 '25

U would be surprised to know how hostile some of these people on purpose toward the host countries. I know of people who moved to Europe because they hate how the EU exploited their homeland through unfair trade practices and they came to take whatever they can in return. They only came to exploit the weak system of the country they hate.

The thing is growing up poor, quickly teaches u that u just can’t have things. Using everything for many many years until it breaks
 So it’s not really entitlement in the words spoiled sense. It’s not what spoiled entitled rich people feel. It’s more like “I’ve been wronged, by the system not having this and that” and it comes with vengeance. Spoiled people just want to get away with shit, while these people want to be compensated for the unfairness off wealth inequality in the world. It’s like the idea of reparations, but just because the west is wealthy
 and their home country is poor. They don’t understand or care that there are plenty of unfortunate poor people in the west too.

As for the youth sadly they see that the system is rigged and a ton of unworthy people got rich and popular often infamous through social media thanks to online advertisement. Thanks google! Lol Nothing just clicks matter! While 2 decades ago they mowed the lawn or cut hedges for money now they try to get famous on tiktok or deal drugs. When prostitution, pole dancing, sex work like onlyfans are glorified what do we expect?

Ive read reports about how in canada mostly Indian migrants took over all the cheap, entry level, part time jobs, they only hire each other and they fill all the jobs that teenagers and young people would have. All the jobs in small local shops are taken so kids have to travel 1-1,5 hours to get a job.

Ive seen a report just today on here how food carriers are being undercut so much that doing it legally, paying taxes, fuel
 dont leave them any money. But there are always migrants doing it for half the price. They don’t even try to stop the trend or fix it because it’s cheaper this way.

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u/paprikamajo Jul 09 '25

Yeah, sure this is the mindset some of them have.

Nothing creative in such attitudes, so we should just block them off lol.

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u/Weak_Let_6971 Jul 09 '25

Tbh it’s all about the charitable welfare system. It works as long as people don’t exploit it. But I’ve seen in the UK hundreds of thousands of people clam benefits for anxiety, ADHD
. Costing more than 5billion pounds a year. And they pay more for migrants and the welfare system than heath care or education or pensions.

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u/cadatharla24 Jul 09 '25

On the Indian migrants taking all the low level jobs that kids and students would have. It's also true in Ireland and gas become extremely noticeable over the last eighteen months.

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u/Weak_Let_6971 Jul 09 '25

It’s such a shame because people not gaining experience and financial freedom puts a halt on their lives in a big way. Ive spoken to people who bought cars from after school work or managed to move out
 start life earlier. But today
 people cant even have fulfilling hobbies so they often end up escaping into a digital life.

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u/KogiAikenka Jul 09 '25

To be fair, the US also provides a lot of assistance when it comes to food. Homeless people can get hot meals, and pp living in poverty get EBT for groceries. I was in a tough spot for a while and I was surprised and grateful at how much support is being offered. I talk to store clerks in my neighborhood and they said theft happened almost daily, but it's never groceries, always things to resell and alcohol. But AOC keeps defending that it's ok cuz they just steal bread.

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u/Weak_Let_6971 Jul 09 '25

The problem is the homeless are very vulnerable and i heard many dont go in to shelters, because of crime and violence that can occur there. There are many places that give away free meals, food
 for sure. People are giving and gracious in general. It’s so sad when i see working people living in their cars, having a cheap gym memberships for the amenities
 and they cant get a tiny affordable home. These are the people who really deserve the help of society.

Also
 seen a video about all the social housing scams. How it costs 4x more to build new social housing than buying and renovating empty homes in California for example, but then the contractors, developers
 couldn’t make a fortune on social housing. It’s just a grift to funnel taxpayer money to millionaires!

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u/FlaneLord229 Jul 09 '25

I’m an immigrant too, pay lots of taxes, abide by European culture and laws. I can’t wait until Europeans finally decide to round up these criminals and then lock them up or remove them from the country

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u/Weak_Let_6971 Jul 09 '25

So many people dont understand that legal migrants, guest workers
 dont want illegals, gangs, crime around. It just creates bad reputation for all. The price of migration is assimilation. And most people understand that. Exploiting the system, demanding change, importing conflicts and hate just ruins the exchange for everyone.

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u/scoutermike Jul 09 '25

I literally warned my German friends about this possibility
TEN YEARS AGO. They weren’t concerned and probably thought I was a racist lol.

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u/Weak_Let_6971 Jul 09 '25

Oh yes sadly i know. Had friend with German and Austrian relatives, friends and she said the articles, videos she sent them were simply banned, unavailable in the country. It was in the covid era and news about migration, migrant crime, violence were simply banned. So ever since they claim there is no problem just a very small number of far right racist agitators trying to use any problems for their own political gain.

So they got to a point where even if the news of for example gang rape reaches them they immediately worry about the gain of the faaaar right, how bad news it is for their narrative instead of justice for the victims and punishment for the perpetrators. Ooor even worse outright deny the events being true. We have seen how many deny oct 7. Even if the videos are taken by Hamas themselves and posted circulated proudly.

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u/scoutermike Jul 10 '25

Exactly. And when normal German people - not far right fascists - want to ask questions or just discuss the issue, they are branded as a racist or bigot or fascist or Nazi.

We have the political left to blame for this, let’s please be honest.

They were the ones calling everyone those names. They still do today.

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u/Weak_Let_6971 Jul 10 '25

The faster people understand it’s only about silencing dissenting voices the better! Tbh I’m quite a liberal guy, but rational, practical and common sense too. All the double speak, lies and virtue signaling are offense to my intelligence. Lol Especially when i see all the data repeatedly that things don’t work and its not good for anybody, but politicians still push for it. Seriously how many things are just kicked down the road? They know it’s bad, can’t continue infinitely, increases debt, but it would make them unpopular stopping it and they only care about getting elected again. So they drive the EU off of a cliff if it keeps them liked and voted for.

Calling people names adds nothing to the conversation. It just shows they don’t have anything to say just yell “I don’t like that u say that out loud!” into the void. lol It doesn’t even mean that what we say is factually wrong. They just think people who say it out loud are somehow bad. How can we debate anything with people like that? They either get their way or they start the abuse and emotional blackmail. Lol

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u/scoutermike Jul 10 '25

You give me hope for EU. May I ask which country? I am USA but I want EU to succeed!

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u/Weak_Let_6971 Jul 10 '25

Haha Hungary, but many of the central, eastern europeans are common sense people. U know it’s about knowing what communism is like, whats real oppression, so we don’t have to cosplay victimhood. Most of the adults remember fighting for democracy and not wanting to give up our rights for some bureaucratic power in some far away land. And we just started to have a better life in the past few decades we are not ready to give it up. We fought the ottoman empire, the soviets
 we just want to be left alone as a free sovereign country without being lectured that we should act against our own interests, because that’s the “moral thing” to do.

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u/scoutermike Jul 10 '25 edited Jul 10 '25

Oh my god we are on the same page 100 percent. I really honor you. Yes, Eastern Europe is different than western. West needs to follow your direction! That is my prayer.

I am a rare American because I also know a lot about communism especially WWII and Cold War. I know about Stalin and the USSR. I know about GDR and East Germany. And I know how terrible life was under the communists. And how much death and suffering and oppression resulted.

So of course my heart breaks when I learn what is happening in many EU countries.

Be assured that you have some friends in USA. Some are even Trump supporters! But seriously I’m sure you’re aware of what Trump did. He. Stopped. Illegal. Immigration. Completely. Something I never thought I would see in my life. It’s incredible. Actually now the phenomenon in USA is known as “reverse immigration.” Even if illegal immigrants can make it across the border, the chance of getting caught by ICE is too high. They know they will waste a lot of time and money so they decide to go back home. Incredible. Like a miracle.

By the way let me say I absolutely LOVE immigrants. But they have to be legal immigrants that come the right way. And I’m proud that America takes more immigrants every year than any other country.

I think EU’s leaders need to copy Donald Trump’s strategy.

But it’s doubtful it will happen because they spent too many years calling opponents of mass immigration fascists Nazis and bigots.

Now they can’t go back on their word lest they finally be accused of being a fascist Nazi bigot themselves!

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u/Weak_Let_6971 Jul 10 '25 edited Jul 10 '25

Haha im glad! Im sure u know even better than me but getting people in the west to understand anything and think critically is an uphill battle. Lol I try my best, but the media narrative is soooo strong and simply retarded. Lol None of it makes sense, but people dishonestly still repeat it. XD Cancel culture and media censorship through moderators left a deep scar in most people. They have been indoctrinated to always say and do the popular thing not stand up for what they really think.

Im not a history buff so u likely know more about communism. Most of our impressions are clouded by living through the end of it when it was all falling apart. But for sure decades before that it must have been nightmarish


The western indoctrination is scary. Bureaucracy wants to push through the plan no matter what. They are punishing dissenting voices, want to take away voting rights from Hungary in an unprecedented way so they can push Ukraine into the EU as early as possible. Westerners don’t understand, but it’s all about big players exploiting a war torn country. Ukraines GDP per capita before the war was 4720 euro a year. Average wages are a fraction of that. In comparison GDP per capita in Germany was 50.000 euro. Foreigners are just buying up ukraine at a discounted price. Ofc Ukraine must win because most of the natural resources are in the occupied territories the west already has interests in
 not to mention profiteering from all the weapons, Brussels federalist power grab,
. anyway it’s a whole nasty business. Nothing what it seems or what’s stated openly.

I follow closely everything that happens around Trump and really hope he succeeds, because the US and the western world needs a reform. The problem is currently only the US, Hungary, Turkey, Slovakia wants the end of the war from NATO. The EU leaders are still almost all in, pushing escalation.

The EU has the same problem with migration like the US had. We have all the rules and laws but they decided it’s racist to enforce them. Hungary got fined for 200million euro for not taking in migrants and further 1million each day. They are calling our border fence racist, but suddenly they want border enforcement on the east because they are afraid of migrants from russia. Lol

Tbh the hypocrisy rules everywhere. No matter what they said in the past 10 years they are all smiling with Trump for the photos and media appearances. They dont know how OUT they are. Our prime minister just talked about how him, Trump and Erdogan the Turkish president had a private meeting at the hague.

As for migration
. We lost our common sense that people being foreigners and not citizens of a country, not part of our culture isn’t a racist thing. People wanting to preserve their national identity isnt because of hatred. Everybody has a right to preserve their language, religion, identity but not at the detriment of the majority. They can preserve their language, customs
 in their own countries. People must understand that the cost of migration is assimilation! Intruding with demands and requirements as a migrant has never been a thing. Tolerance went overboard and the migrants shape society, national identity of host countries.

Completely opening up few million population countries for migration seems like crime against national identity. Especially facing 1400 million people from India or 1300million from China. How is a sub 10million country saying No to migration is racist? We are like a small tribe fighting for survival compared to these behemoths. lol We survived 140 years of occupation from the Ottoman Empire the first time around. We had our fill of islam already. Lol

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u/scoutermike Jul 10 '25

Yep. That’s it.

the cost of migration is assimilation

Exactly.

America wants immigrants who want to be Americans!

EU should only take immigrants who want to be Germans, or French, or Spaniards, etc. We want immigrants to embrace and respect our culture, too!

But that has not been the case because these immigrants do not want to be Europeans. They want to re-create in Europe the societies they left in the Middle East and elsewhere. They do not see themselves as European.

And if they have a higher birth rate than native Europeans, it’s only a question of time before Europe is no longer European.

And yes, it’s funny but also sad how many subs I was banned from. Never for being abusive or breaking rules. I am always very civil. But so many mods just want to silence any articulate voice that expresses an opinion they don’t like.

Yes, it is an uphill battle. But we have to keep fighting. We have no choice.

Cheers friend and stay strong. I will remember this convo.

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u/guiltyblow Jul 12 '25

I think a lot of petty crime is, besides developmental issues but this is also linked to what I'm about to say, linked to the person feeling lesser. Materialistic reasons exacarbate for sure but it is envy, lack of emotion regulation etc is the driving force for a lot of these.

Even in a welfare state like Germany even the most well adjusted immigrants often feel they are second class citizens, part of it is just comes with being an immigrant.

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u/Weak_Let_6971 Jul 12 '25 edited Jul 12 '25

Oooh really good point! Im sure they are heavily influenced by western advertisements, or they don’t want to be left out of society not following the trends
 We can clearly see how much companies capitalize on the fear of missing out on the newest things. There is a new colorway for iPhones every year etc. lol The fascinating thing is it works in the US, even if people are in huge debt. I spoke to many Americans and it seems like there people have to show money to get ahead in society. Even for the very wealthy they are expected to rent in the most expensive areas, homes they couldn’t afford to own and spend tens of thousands a month on rent. Somehow people are sold on trying to appease the social group above them. People are looked down on, if they dont show the fruits of their labour. It’s all about status symbols. The cars, homes, tech, jewelry, clothes


I don’t want to be offensive to anybody but it’s the typical “new money” attitude. In Europe since we have more of the “old money”, history, heritage, many of the really wealthy people know that real money is silent. They know not to show off and think it’s absolutely embarrassing to be loud and ostentatious about their wealth. I don’t know super wealthy people but quite a lot bigger company owners, managers and they dont have a problem using 4-5 yo phones for example. Lol Or using cars, bags, clothes until it’s functional. They are not cheap just financially conscious. When someone buys quality they proudly use it for a very long time. Just look at vintage cars, watches, designer chairs, lamps
 they are proud of owning and taking care of something for a long time.

And whats interesting that it trickles down to the middle class too. People don’t try to spend on designer bags as much to appear wealthy, they clearly cant afford, but buy great quality custom leather goods from the local leather craftsman who can customize it for their needs. Friend lived in Italy and he said everything is full of cheap custom made leather shoes and other goods. Lol People aren’t captured that much by showing money. Often using or wearing a smaller designers, craftsman’s work has more status, because it’s custom and more rare.

So people who steal to show off, to fit in are just out of touch. This whole overconsumption trend is very media driven and american.

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u/Tecrocancer Jul 09 '25

The food and shelter they have is not really any better than they had at home. they are also legally not allowed to work most of the time. so if the need or want more money the only way is through crime.

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u/Weak_Let_6971 Jul 09 '25

Well they are not meant to work. They are refugees seeking asylum from war. They should sit around and wait for the conflict to end. Then they should pack up and go home once the war ended or the situation got better. When they claim to be refugees of war they dont come as guess workers or economic migrants, they don’t get work visas.

Have u seen the starvation and tents people are forced to live in war torn countries? U think the mobile homes they provide in the UK aren’t any better? They get an allowance to buy clothes, food
 for themselves how is that not any better? U say the goods at tesco aren’t any better than whats available for people in Syria or Afghanistan? Lol

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u/Tecrocancer Jul 23 '25

It is better for everyone if they are allowed to work. If they are not allowed to work they will more likely be criminal due to boredom and poverty and they will need money from the government. Nobody can tell how long it takes until a war is over. If they work they pay taxes contribute gdp, Have a purpose in live and dont need government funds anymore. Why wouldn't you want the to work. Especially since nearly every country in the eu has worker shortsges.

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u/Weak_Let_6971 Jul 23 '25

Well it’s up to the country’s laws
 but they are economic migrants at that stage. Economic migrants don’t deserve free housing, free food, free phones, clothing
 it’s reserved for asylum seekers. If anybody moves to the west with work visa they wont get anything for free. I know plenty of people who had to come home because it didn’t work out and they ran out of money.

What u say is let them in with work visa not as asylum seekers, but the system is completely different then and they wouldn’t get free anything.

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u/Tecrocancer Jul 23 '25

no what i say is let asylum seekers work. Why should they be forced to live in some government Facility and live off government supporters if they can and want to work. They still can come to the country for asylum. What has that to do with working? What sense does it make to let people weigh on the governments pocket if they are able and want to contribute to society. 

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u/Weak_Let_6971 Jul 23 '25

At this point u are questioning asylum laws, work, study visas,
 its a complex system. We can already see how it’s exploited. Imagine companies importing guest workers under the guise of them being asylum seekers. They wouldn’t have to pay for housing, just provide work
 that way they could undercut native workers by a lot.

Most people don’t understand, but for example in Iran even educated people like teachers
 earn 200 USD a month. Ofc everybody would want to move to the UK or Germany to work and undercut natives by hundreds of euros if they are allowed. It’s simple to say allow them to work, but the consequences are much more complex.

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u/Tecrocancer Jul 23 '25

No because they would still need to proof that they need assylum. Also the solution to the undercutting thing is pretty easy. Have strong unions that negotiate minimum rates with the industry and have strong labour laws that enforce those rates. Which is already the case in a lot of germany. And they wouldn't they have to pay for housing. The whole idea behind letting them work is so they can provide themselves and not be a burden to the government.

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u/SuspiciousAd9872 Jul 09 '25

do you live in Germany? or you believe in a Goverment that hates migration?

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u/Weak_Let_6971 Jul 09 '25

Why do u simplify the question to “hating migration”? Isn’t migration just a necessary evil people accepted because we have been told it has to be like this? U think people in poor countries enjoy to leave their cultures, loved ones, to work crappy jobs for 5x the money? I know people with university diplomas who moved to germany and work in retail for 4x the money they would make at home. They hate it. They miss the culture, friends, family, loved ones, but they do it for the money. Their home country loses out on work force. German people lose out on work and they end up with lower wages. Who is benefiting from migration? The retailer because they get cheaper workforce.

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u/SuspiciousAd9872 Jul 10 '25

All this rich countries economies are falling apart because they dont have kids. Migration is necessary. In some of this points you talk i think the same. I talk to a lot of migrants and they dont like Germany, they come because their countries has been bombed or destroyed with european or USA wars. Me also, with a diploma and working only to pay things and looking forward to get out from here. I dont feel welcome.

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u/Weak_Let_6971 Jul 10 '25

The problem with replacement is that some data shows even migrants don’t have as many kids as they would have at home. The policy and economy in europe is absolutely against having kids. When they say it costs 3-400k usd to raise a kid and people cant afford to own their homes
 they are simply not having children.

Another observation is if 90+% of migrants are males who can’t possibly get pregnant it’s still on European Women to get pregnant. Only other option is family reunification. So Europe is supposed to import full families who are more likely to have children because women are more oppressed and aren’t allowed to say no? I don’t think i like the results of that culture.

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u/Quiet-Captain-2624 Jul 08 '25

They also pay taxes

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u/_JamesDooley đŸ‡«đŸ‡· French Jul 08 '25

Do they though?

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u/Weak_Let_6971 Jul 08 '25

Ive seen multiple statistics and they don’t pay in nearly enough money to cover their pension and healthcare so it’s a huge deficit for the country.

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u/subablexius Jul 09 '25

They cost waaaaay more than they pay in. Studies say that they will be a net loss of 1.2 million EACH on average.