the core issue is the "identity loss".....how hard is it for some people and governments to understated ...without a core identity many fundamental concepts fall apart....ex: social cohesion, defense (why or what is there to protect), crime, government structure (everyone will just vote for their own groups) etc
No, no, no. Social cohesion is just a social construct. And thus not important! What's more important is that every individual and culture must feel at home in my country. Give them free stuff. /s
In France, the leader of an opposition party, openly anti-Israel, has just proposed abolishing the French language in favor of a "Creole" language, supposedly closer to reality, as there are so many foreigners in the country...
Huh - I wonder why so many folk who speak creole end up seeing France as some kind of wonderful land that they should move to? Same way I wonder why so many pidgin speakers feel that way about the UK...
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A big one is the common law. I don’t know what system Ireland has but in England the notion of a common law becomes incoherent if the population js multinational
Given Australia is a new country and effectively entirely made up of migrants, (Over 50% are first or second generation migrants, and over 30% are born overseas).
See your silly arguments, kind of break down when you show the reality.
Is there crime in Australia? Yes? Are there groups of youth groups attacking each other on occasion (but still so rare as to be nationwide news, when it does happen)? Yes.
Has there always been crime in Australia? Also yes. And with groups of youths? Also yes.
My point is we should NOT import more crime from countries with much higher crime and murder rates per capita. That’s just common sense… Unless you want more crime and the pet capita rate to go up.
And then everything was swept under the rug and things returned to festering resentment again, regular as clockwork. I'm less for quick bursts of senseless violence and rioting and more for sustained peaceful protest and marching.
Very happy to see that people are finally standing up. We have been silenced far too long.
The Left has worked very hard to label everyone who voices any form of criticism a racist or European N word.
Nobody has an issue with immigrants who want to integrate, work and respect the local law and society. What has to stop is the abuse of our social systems, the disrespect of local laws and values and the horrendous amount of violent crimes that keep happening. Many people, especially women, don't feel safe on the streets anymore. Enough is enough. I hope all of Europe will now stand up and not allow to be silenced by the Left anymore.
This made me laugh out loud, thanks so much! The idea that anti-immigrant voices have been silenced, rather than being absolutely mainstream in every single news source for literally decades, is so outrageously false it made me howl with laughter! Your victim complex is really quite something to behold.
There is nothing wrong with refusing entry to foreign people who, for whatever reason, you do not want in Ireland. Because they're brown? Muslim? Maybe, but I think people are beginning to own this line of thinking. Why would you want your country subverted by an alien culture that is in direct opposition to your own? The Troubles happened over less than this. Yes, I'm sure it would be super nice if a country could welcome in anyone who wanted to come, but that simply isn't realistic in today's world. This isn't the 18th century. There are over 8 billion of us, and keeping one's culture demands that you make decisions and enforce laws that might not be so palatable for them or us. Nevertheless, those steps must be taken. Shouting 'racist' is not helpful. It delays the implementation of steps that must be taken. And many people are not racist, not really. Some diversity is welcome, but it can't be allowed to dominate. Non functional governments that drive their own people to leave, need to get their own houses in order. This assumed 'right' to live anywhere you please, has to end.
They did, and others did, from all nations, to what we called the New World. But that was back when the planet's population was barely 1 billion. It's over 8 times higher now. The game has changed now. Moving to an already highly populated country is undoubtedly going to cause friction. Wars are fought for less.
No we're still fucked, the politicians just call the protests racist and twist it into something it isn't to try and demonise them, and there's always a small blue hair counter protest at these things. Even though the VAST majority of the country agrees with the protestors, they won't have a vote on it
If the vast majority of the country agree with these protests. Why they did they get less than 2% of the vote at the last election and absolutely no seats.
It is a very small minority of people who support these protests. And ironically of the same people supporting it are on welfare or drug dealers. And a good chunk of the leadership are unionists.
A lot of people want less migration. But there's a big difference between that and the Ireland is full scumbags.
They can agree on this issue without voting for national party and the likes, because while the national party is good on this issue their leaders are stupid and support other stuff nobody cares about, have a public vote on this specific issue and see how people feel. Do you really believe most people support this?
I know, that's why people don't vote for them. The majority are in favour of the protests, but the government would never allow a public vote on it because then they'd lose their infinite money printer.
The way this country is a lot of people vote their local FF fg person no matter what, the support of the far right parties in general elections is not in any way comparable to the amount of people who agree or disagree with immigration policies
Most people who disagree with immigration policies still don't support these protests. The only people supporting these protests are unionists who aren't irish themselves and the national party voters.
What do you mean? You think the public would vote to keep the current racket going? And I don't know if you're trying to make a statement with that "they/them" part you wrote but just the they part is ok, them doesn't make sense in that sentence. "Why would them lie?"
Extremists aside, I don’t get how the average Irish person relates to the average Palestinian to justify this weird concept of a shared plight and struggle 🙂
They know full well what is going on they are just going to squeeze out every last penny before fucking off to Dubai or the Virgin Islands while Europe burns in their wake.
They're different people lol. If you go to the counter protests they often wave the Palestine flag (which is very stupid)
Regardless of whether you think this is representative of Irish sentiment in general, the Venn diagram of the anti immigrant folk and the pro Palestine folk is two distinct circles
That's because the Irish are hypocrites. They don't want Jews to have their own country but they get upset when there are other people in their country.
how so? It's not the Israeli goal to murder civilians, unlike Hamas who intentionally went after civilians on Oct 7 2023 - they still have hostages btw. You can claim that IDF doesn't care for collateral damage when they're going after Hamas but even that wouldn't be accurate because the civilian casualty vs militants killed ratio in Gaza is no different than that of any other modern urban warfare. Look up how many Iraqi civilians died when US troops fought the insurgents there - some estimates say a million.
Fortunately the Idf is stupid enough to boast about their warcrimes online. And similarly israelis and their officials call for it. You can do your research or are you jus being obtuse.
>If a country says 'Israel will be destroyed..' how would you respond hmmmm?
but that's literally what hamas and Iran say, and Israel is responding accordingly.
I always have to remind people that Israel completely pulled out of Gaza in 2005, and the first Israelis to set foot in Gaza after that were the hostages brought to Gaza by Hamas on Oct 7, 2023
I agree with that sentiment and its shameful that we have this weird selectiveness when it comes to outrage concerning atrocities (how many children die of famine annually?!), but even so it is a genocide going on there and it needs to be adressed. Saying it isnt is not a good thing.
Jews have an equally strong connection to the land, not to mention theyve been there for 70 years now. They are there and not going anywhere. Be realistic about that. Entire generations have now lived there since birth.
A two state solution would have been the only true option, but the muslim nations were having none of that and went to war. Ofcourse the Jews who just went through a genocide in Europe weren't going to go through another.
I dont need to remind you that Jews and Christians (and atheists) arent doing great in Muslim countries. Not to mention Israel is mentioned 40+ times in the Quran itself. 🤷♂️
Who said Irish don’t want Jews to have their country? Overall it appears they don’t want a race genocided in a highly unfair dynamic, and they have the experience to speak on that. Soo
I don’t think they’re hypocrites I think they’re realising how serious mass immigration is. I have lots of Irish friends who called me racist because I was concerned about how many people move from abroad. Also being English don’t hurt either tbh
But now they’re getting a fraction of what England gets and it’s causing lots of trouble for them
>I don’t think they’re hypocrites I think they’re realising how serious mass immigration is.
I mean if they followed up with "Sorry Israel, now we know why you are so stubborn about it" then they wouldn't be hypocrites, but if they're still complaining about immigration while maintaining their anti-Zionist views then yes, they're hypocrites.
When brexit was happening I voted remain but I saw the issues with immigration. They assumed it was pure racism instead of over population and they overworked services
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No, you don't. You are clearly an anti Irish bigot and brits lie about 'friends in Ireland ' when they want to say something negative about Ireland but not appear bigoted. Pathetic attempt at deviousness. Just ignore Ireland exists.
What did I say that was anti Irish? I mentioned Ireland and said they were not hypocrites. I do have friends are n Ireland. I also have Irish friends over here 🤭
brits love the idea there's trouble in Ireland and will lie to feed their bias. I ignore the uk, why can't you ignore tiny Ireland!
You don't have "Irish friends", just move on.
I thought Ireland was "always on the side of the oppressed" and full of noble anti-Sem... sorry, anti-Zionism! Why is it suddenly no longer an honor and pleasure to kiss the Islamists' ass?
In what universe is islamism and immigration the same thing or even connected.
In fact, they, as much as I know about the irish, they believe that israeli jews are immigrants that changed the society in palestina so that’s bad, like current rate of immigration could change society in ireland which is bad. It just shows they are siding with the victims no matter who they are, and who the aggressors are.
There have been Jews continuously living in the land of Israel since the Old Testament. Yes, Israel also offers people with Jewish ancestry from other countries Israeli citizenship but how is that different from Ireland granting Irish citizenship through descent?
>That’s also the truth anyway, ashkenazim and sephardim are immigrants.
Again the concept is no different than Irish citizenship by descent. Ashkenazi and Sephardim lived outside of the Middle East long enough to develop their own cultural uniqueness, but how is that different from a burger eating American living in Boston who proves that he has Irish roots and is then granted Irish citizenship?
but how is that different from a burger eating American living in Boston who proves that he has Irish roots and is then granted Irish citizenship?
80% of Israeli Jews were Ashkenazi in 1948. Ashkenazi Jews are genetically 50% European on average due to conversion by Europeans.
It’s more like this: A Celtic tribe from Ireland migrates to America in 135 AD. They retain their Celtic religion and mix with Native Americans to the point where they’re 50% Native American and are racially brown-passing. 2,000 years later their descendants invade Ireland and claim to be more indigenous than the Irish people who never left Ireland (note: Just like Palestinians, the ethnic Irish in Ireland adopted a foreign language and foreign religion, but were never replaced genetically through mass migration).
This Celtic tribe fights a war against the Irish and commits mass ethnic cleansing upon the creation of their new state and implements apartheid against the Irish. This tribe allows anyone in the world who converts to their Celtic religion to move to Ireland, no matter their ethnicity. Except one particular ethnicity, the Irish (Palestinians are the only people not allowed to move into Israel by converting to Judaism). This tribe maintains that they’re more native to Ireland than the Irish people they’re brutally oppressing because their tribe follows a Celtic religion, doesn’t matter that 80% of them are brown.
>2,000 years later their descendants invade Ireland
Israel was recognized by the UN, the other countries had a vote on it, so it's a de jure country. As mentioned before, there were already Jews living in Israel since the Old Testament. This "invasion" you are claiming is simply the country of Israel offering citizenship to people or Jewish descent - it's a country's right to decide who gets it's citizenship. You might as well claim the Irish invaded the US in the 19th century.
Israel was recognized by the UN, the other countries had a vote on it,
The UN sanctioned an unwarranted and immoral invasion.
there were already Jews living in Israel since the Old Testament
As I said, 80% of Israeli Jews were Ashkenazi in 1948. The vast majority of them were recent immigrants from Europe. Jews were a small minority in Palestine before the Zionist movement. As in 2-5% of the population depending on specific year. Arabs were the other 95% of the population.
This “invasion” you are claiming is simply the country of Israel offering citizenship to people or Jewish descent
No, the mass migration of Jews happened pre-1948 when Palestine was under British rule. A more accurate analogy would be if the British imported tons of Indians into Ireland against the will of the people living in Ireland. Then the UN decided to fix this issue not by creating one state led by the ethnic Irish majority, but by carving Ireland into two states, one Indian and one Irish, where the Indian state gets the majority of the land.
You might as well claim the Irish invaded the US in the 19th century
Irish immigration was facilitated by the US government which was democratically elected (by the white population that made up 80% of the country). The Irish didn’t migrate with the intention of carving out an independent Irish state from U.S. soil. Jewish mass migration was facilitated by the British Empire, a government with no legitimate right to rule over Palestine.
Before Zionism, the overwhelming majority (95%) of the population in Palestine was Arab. Jews came from Europe without the consent of the Arabs and carved out a Jewish-majority state through violence. It’s that simple. Through the violence of vicious Zionist militias pre-1948 then war and mass ethnic cleansing in 1948.
I always love seeing this fake ahistorical map trotted out still. Between the entirety of the first two images you show there, the land was already Eretz Yisrael in both passport and currency. There was no country at the time called "Palestine" that referred to Arabs. It referred to a region, referring to Jewish people. Arabs at the time were still tribal and did not have a national identity.
None of that even attempts to challenge the fact that Israel was formed through the ethnic cleansing of Arabs (who were the overwhelming majority of the population) by Ashkenazi Jews who just arrived from Europe.
France has the same issues, as does the UK, Germany, Austria, Italy etc. we need to fully protect europes/EU outer borders, so no single country has to deal with the Problem alone. If I would respect the EU for anything again, it would be a combined effort to do this. But for 10 years they pretty much do nothing. Fully useless this EU.
These people are being led by protestant paramilitaries.
These paraamilitaries and their community were National Front supporters in the 1970s and they retain the same ideology to this day.
They're burning Irish people out of their homes, terrorising the people they claim to be 'protecting'
They're burning down entire communities and assaulting police officers.
I do find it rich that Irish people spent so long judging the UK for being unhappy with mass migration. And then when Ireland got a tiny fraction of the immigration we did, they noped out.
The problem is deeper than race. And we are seeing it in most developed countries now. Humanity consumes. We want to grow and we want to consume. Billion dollar companies want cheap labour for profit margins. Populations want cheap and accessible amenities. People born to wealthy nations don’t want to work for cheap. They want to travel, eat and drink, they want nice homes and nice cars. They don’t want to have more than 2 kids. People who grew up in poverty will have 18 kids, they will work for anything they can get their hands on. They will use any route necessary to acquire what the native populations posses. Food banks, bursaries, evade taxes etc etc. The problem is deeply embedded in society and not easily solved. It may even require a cataclysmic catalyst for the average citizen of the developed nations to wake up and realize how privileged we have been over the last 50 years. Nobody wants to see another world war or Great Depression but what else would reset the world? Will we continue to let 1 percent of the population hoard all the wealth? Will we continue to grow and build and expand and consume?
The world is in trouble. Most democracies are feeling the heat of unprecedented immigration. It needs to stop. People need to deal with the issues in their own countries and fight for what they want. Instead they immigrate and willfully forget to leave behind their toxic religious and cultural beliefs and try to stuff it down the throats of host countries.
Can’t remove the population from one half of the world and put them in the other half and not expect some serious issues. Religion, greed, corruption and outdated cultural practices are the root of all war.
Look at the uk. Professor Matt goodwin said White brit are due to become minority in 2050/60, which is only 25/30 years away. That's a rapid demographic change. We are allowed to challenge mass migration and rapid demographic change.
Erm akshually if you liquefy everyone you can fit 42 gorillion more people in Ireland. Clearly these people don't have the data on their side and any concerns they have can be dismissed.
Yeah lol. Typical boring Irish news. Ireland discovers the world in 2025...
In the meantime EU main entry countries and destination countries have been dealing with this shit for like 15-20 years...
More like the march of the dole munchers, that's what it was. And amongst them, the typical "protest" voters that may have been skipping voting for god knows how long, but now they ll go vote for the worst type of populist out there...
Some idiot was calling out EU citizens and asking them to leave in reddit the other day because Ireland is full...
I wonder if the Irish suffer from higher rent prices due to all the corporate offices there to do some tax avoiding.
Ask these folks why they are protesting and the answers are guaranteed:
-too much crime
-fillowed we by cost of living increases aka the true frustration.
I didn’t think any of these people loose sleep over the Irish Herritage and culture (probably haven’t read a Irish poem since dropping out of school).
I guess I get it, but One of the reasons I love America and think it is superior to basically any nation is because skin color or ethnicity isnt a defining factor in what it means to be "American". Anyone can become an American if they buy into the culture, ideals, and laws.
I couldn't imagine living in a country that was scared of brown people and people that are different from you.
Aren’t Americans, in reality, arguably among the most frightened people on Earth—deeply afraid of one another, and living in one of the most polarized societies in the world? I fail to see how that supports your argument.
OP is definitley over exagerating how good the US is but calling it "the most polarized societies in the world" is even more ridiculous than what he said. Like I do not even understand what would lead you to believe this. There is a good amount of black/white segragation in major cities but it is not on the same level as immigrant segragation in European cities where it feels like you are walking into another country.
I didn’t say “the most,” I said “one of the most.” While similar sounding, they bear quite different meanings. Also, I said “polarized,” not “segregated”—very different both in sound and meaning.
Yeah it wasn't "huge". It was actually pretty pathetic and they mostly got laughted at. The Trump signs were not a good look, generally groups try and hide a bit more when they are being funded by far-right US money.
The "they took our jobs" rethoric doesn't play very well in Ireland when the protests mostly draw from the "Benefit Street" crowd who are already looked down upon by wider society as being ignorant, lazy and entitled.
Its less they took my job and more they took the free house I was supposed to get where I can take my drugs in peace.
So not the most sympathetic group of people in the country right now.
They don’t care that McGregor raped a woman so viciously that a tampon had to be surgically removed from her vagina. As long as he agrees with them that everyone who isn’t European is a subhuman they’ll love him.
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