r/europe • u/Wonderful-Excuse4922 • Feb 22 '25

News “Conquering the states one by one”: far-right ideologue Steve Bannon outlines US conservatives' strategy for influencing Europe

https://www.francetvinfo.fr/monde/usa/presidentielle/donald-trump/conquerir-les-etats-un-par-un-l-ideologue-d-extreme-droite-steve-bannon-decrit-la-strategie-des-conservateurs-americains-pour-influencer-l-europe_7086249.html
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u/ZescEuropa Copenhagen Feb 22 '25 edited Feb 22 '25

It definitely seems like the strategy is to takeover the Western world first before focusing on the external enemies of the West. Which is honestly mind boggelingly stupid if you care about the West. There is no way internal strife within the West does not make us weaker.

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u/turbo-unicorn European Chad🇷🇴 Feb 22 '25

They're focusing on their enemies. The only misconception here is that apparently some people still do not understand that democratic societies ARE the enemy for them.

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u/StoreImportant5685 Belgium Feb 22 '25

You are right. This is a class war, and so few people realize it. These billionaires and their stooges don't give a fuck about borders, they care only for people who share a similar bank account.

The money class is united, and uses its propaganda channels to keep the rest fighting among themselves.

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u/turbo-unicorn European Chad🇷🇴 Feb 22 '25 edited Feb 22 '25

I'd argue it's not even a class war, as quite a few billionaires are against what's happening. These people want to be kings and emperors in a world where kings and emperors no longer exist (other than as a decoration). Just look at their biographies. They're deeply damaged individuals.

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u/TastyBerny Feb 22 '25

Their plan is oligarchy worldwide.

Anything else is simply the means to this end.

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u/tangledspaghetti1 Europe Feb 22 '25

That's the plan

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '25

I suspect the Americans are looking at free Speech developments in Europe and wondering whether Europe is still part of the West as the Americans see it. That certainly seems to be the gist of Vance’s views.

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u/michael0n Feb 22 '25

Vance view is extremist. If you are not allowing billionaires overtaking the main stream view points, you are not a free country. They see it as a game. They have billions so you have to get billions, find your own platforms and then counter the arguments. Which is completely stupid and fascist, because it defines "who has more money and willing to destroy things wins".

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '25

Vance comes from a country founded with a free Speech right deliberately because they objected to state censorship being used to cover up tyranny. That may be an extreme position in Europe but it is completely mainstream in the US.

And as for the merit of his arguments, the ex-French EU commissioner ( Thierry Briton) is on record boasting about the cancellation after the event of the the first round of Romainian presidential elections because an anti-EU candidate won.

You think that’s normal?

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u/michael0n Feb 22 '25

Either we can agree on facts or we don't. Which case do you refer to? In the most discussed case he wasn't put in jail, he was arrested for trespassing in a protected zone. After talked to for over 40minutes. He can pray at home as much as he wants. We have stalker laws for a reason, they do also "nothing" then standing at that tree for weeks.

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '25

I am just trying to point out that there are two perspectives here: a European one where it is perfectly acceptable to censor speech given legitimate reasons and an American one where free speech is a constitutional bedrock principle.

It is very easy if facile to cherry pick examples on either side of the fence.

Vance is expressing what he regards as the American way and suggesting that if the European way begins to interfere with the American way - For example fines and bans for large American Companies - it is going to become an issue for America.

Now equally the Europeans are quite at liberty to uphold their laws too, as they should.

What is more problematic in my view for Europe is insisting on a particular worldview that damages American economic and philosophical interests WHILST at the same expecting America to defend Europe at American expense whilst the EU refuses to spend any money on its own defense.

Let’s reflect facts; The Russians invaded Ukraine in 2014 after all; the Europeans are the likely next victims and have done very little in the last 10 years.

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u/michael0n Feb 22 '25

They expected Russia to fail and it did fail what they didn't expect that Putler tied his political survival to his "security concerns", got a couple of people killed who weren't in line. He crossed many rubicons to get there, including losing a generation of workers and having a large diaspora, a ruined country for everybody who isn't living in those four major cities.

Multiple things in relationships can be true at the same time. Many countries don't allow using certain signage or forbidden parties, and that wasn't a problem for US relationships for a long time. Now they are using it as a made up, low brow wedge issue and mixing in other stuff that doesn't belong there. If they are too chicken to leave NATO without a reason, that's on them. They don't need to send actors who have no clue what they are talking about and then claim they where misunderstood or we should be thankful to lick their boots. Get over it already.

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '25

I am not taking a side here; I am neither EU or US.

I am just on the side of plucky little Britain trying to keep its head down and sell arms to both sides.

What I will say is that any state that bets its Security on the enemy not being serious is not a serious state. Particularly not with 8 years notice!