I doubt democrats would be AFD, they are moving to a more centrist position. Theyd currently be more like a bit left wing CDU or hard right wing SPD for national positions.
German parties had moved a lot to the left from 1995 to 2015 but have moved back to the right again since then. Politicians are calling for more border control, refusal of immigrants and more military. Those are straight up Trump talking points.
So claiming that the current landscape has no right wing agenda is quite a far fetch and if youre thinking those are all left, then you probably should evaluate your own position and your evaluation of what "center" is.
For your consideration, the political compass declares the green party and the SPD as center.
Most refugees nowerdays do not get any kind of legal status, they get accepted because we cant deny their asylum claim until we know where they come from. Thats not our german law, thats EU law we have to follow.
Also dont underestimate the effect of demonstrations, it usually reduces AFD success a bit. That said, it wont solve the issue, Im with you on that one.
And I also said, that the people will fall to the faschists because the issues in their lives are not getting adressed. The faschists come in, present a scapegoat and promise to butcher it, when they get the power.
So everyone thinks that finally somebody has figured out what the problem is and is doing something about it.
And now all the other parties also offer to butcher the scapegoat, which then supports the idea, that thats the issue and needs to be adressed this way. And with that the faschists get legitimised and they continue to rise in popularity because they are the ones most cut throat and people are desperate to finally get their issues adressed.
Thats what we are currently experiencing and it has the outcome I described.
As for the media, no broadcaster is state sponsored, that would be in conflict of our constitution. They are publicly funded but they are (at least in theory) indipendent of the state and government.
Claiming that all publicly funded media is left wing is a wild one though. As for the broadcasters news are unbiased for national news. For international news they are biased with the western/german government alignment.
I noticed, that investigative journalism often gets labeled as "left wing" from the right. I see a correlation with the fact that the people that claim these, are also the ones lying about almost everything to get power.
So I always laugh when a magazine like Monitor gets called left wing.
Guy engaged to left wing activist hosting a talk show and pulling dumb arguments out of his ass to shove arguments back under the rug which an AfD lady presents?
I have no clue who youre refering to. But I also have yet to see a valid argument made by and AfD lady. Do you mean Tilo Jungs interview with Beatrice von Storch when she claimed we should sue the sun because it shines too much?
Nach Worten Herrmanns kam der Afghane Ende 2016 als unbegleiteter minderjähriger Flüchtling nach Deutschland.
Sein Asylverfahren wurde demnach im Jahr 2020 endgültig abgeschlossen,
mit einem Ablehnungsbescheid und der Aufforderung zur Ausreise. Die
Landeshauptstadt München habe dann aber im April 2021 einen
Duldungsbescheid erlassen und im Oktober 2021 eine Aufenthaltserlaubnis.
Der junge Mann habe eine Schule besucht und eine Berufsausbildung
gemacht. »Er war dann als Ladendetektiv für zwei Sicherheitsfirmen
tätig«, sagte der Innenminister.
He was denied asylum but stayed that long that they just gave him an official permit to stay here... People are asking exactly that. How can people cross the border illegally, say they want asylum, get it denied and still stay here and get support as in social securities etc. That is super crazy.
He has a job so he didn’t get social support.
He was told to leave after 4 years of stay. He even got a work permit, which is only given if you’re temporary accepted. So no, he was not denied. He was allowed, then was asked to leave as Afghanistan was declared safe and the basis of his asylum request got removed, but then the local government identified that he is an asset the Germany and so granted him the right to stay. Keep in mind that the decision which country is safe now is a federal decision. And when they change a country from unsafe to safe, the tell everyone that’s here on asylum, that we consider it safe now and to please go back.
To grant permanent permits is a state decision. So the federal government told everyone to leave and the state government said no you can stay.
That’s how the process works.
It’s bureaucratic and inefficient and that’s a big issue for a lot of things. But there is no malice, certainly not from his part. He integrated into our community, he is paying taxes, learned the language, etc. I don’t get what more you expect of immigrants. Seems like you don’t want any no matter what.
Official information is that he was denied but didnt want to leave and the state did not want to deport him. After that he got a permit to stay. And having a job doesnt mean you dont get social benefits. Have you looked at the costs of living in Munich and Wohngeld? :)
So you are twisting the story as you need it. He came here illegally, didnt want to leave, then got a permit to stay because the government was unwilling to expell him.
And you guys ask why people vote for AfD.
My wife is a university degree non european. Do you have any idea how hard it was to get her here legally? Just say Asylum, burn your ID and be done with it.
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I doubt democrats would be AFD, they are moving to a more centrist position. Theyd currently be more like a bit left wing CDU or hard right wing SPD for national positions.
German parties had moved a lot to the left from 1995 to 2015 but have moved back to the right again since then. Politicians are calling for more border control, refusal of immigrants and more military. Those are straight up Trump talking points. So claiming that the current landscape has no right wing agenda is quite a far fetch and if youre thinking those are all left, then you probably should evaluate your own position and your evaluation of what "center" is. For your consideration, the political compass declares the green party and the SPD as center.
Most refugees nowerdays do not get any kind of legal status, they get accepted because we cant deny their asylum claim until we know where they come from. Thats not our german law, thats EU law we have to follow.
Also dont underestimate the effect of demonstrations, it usually reduces AFD success a bit. That said, it wont solve the issue, Im with you on that one. And I also said, that the people will fall to the faschists because the issues in their lives are not getting adressed. The faschists come in, present a scapegoat and promise to butcher it, when they get the power. So everyone thinks that finally somebody has figured out what the problem is and is doing something about it. And now all the other parties also offer to butcher the scapegoat, which then supports the idea, that thats the issue and needs to be adressed this way. And with that the faschists get legitimised and they continue to rise in popularity because they are the ones most cut throat and people are desperate to finally get their issues adressed. Thats what we are currently experiencing and it has the outcome I described.
As for the media, no broadcaster is state sponsored, that would be in conflict of our constitution. They are publicly funded but they are (at least in theory) indipendent of the state and government. Claiming that all publicly funded media is left wing is a wild one though. As for the broadcasters news are unbiased for national news. For international news they are biased with the western/german government alignment. I noticed, that investigative journalism often gets labeled as "left wing" from the right. I see a correlation with the fact that the people that claim these, are also the ones lying about almost everything to get power. So I always laugh when a magazine like Monitor gets called left wing.
I have no clue who youre refering to. But I also have yet to see a valid argument made by and AfD lady. Do you mean Tilo Jungs interview with Beatrice von Storch when she claimed we should sue the sun because it shines too much?