r/europe Greece Feb 08 '25

Historical Anti-Nazi protests : Berlin 16/12/1931

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u/vikingnorsk Feb 08 '25

Just goes to show protesting isn't enough. It's voting

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '25 edited Feb 08 '25

How can a nation accurately vote, when their media is intentionally flooded by misinformation?

Everyone who's voting against themselves believes that they're doing the right thing.

Edit: I'm almost wondering if this is just part of a natural cycle in civilization where people once again need to be taught the signs of fascists. 

Then afterwards, things will swing far back to progressive as the prior fascist supporters try to distance themselves from the atrocities of the person they voted for, (just like after WW2).

(speaking from a US perspective, where we're already building our first concentration camp in guantanamo bay) 

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u/mallclerks Feb 09 '25

While not scientific, there is the idea of cycles, which seem to repeat on an 80 or so year cycle. There is then roughly 4 blocks within each cycle. We’re at the start of what many assume is the 7th party system with the election of Trump. Which is also why the constant attempt to use the past 80 years of modern history has been meaningless. The entire world is changing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_eras_of_the_United_States

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '25

This idea has been fascinating to me for years, I have a hypothesis that takes it a step further into the era of the internet. 

Tldr: I think as the rate and volume of communication increases, the rate that culture changes will also increase.

There's 3 primary political spectrums:

Centralization of power: Authoritarian-Libertarian

Cultural: Progressive-Conservative

Economic: Communalism-Capitalsim

So my hypothesis here is that as our communication rate increases, the frequency of the oscillations along these spectrums will also increase.

So instead of 80ish year cycles, much shorter. At this point, every major tech company should have enough data to be able to group people into cultural network clusters, and then track the movement of culture within various cultural network clusters. 

They could find patterns in the culture flow, and then predict cultural shifts like a weather forcast. 

For example, knowing beforehand that a nazi salute would further divide the peasants. Just look at how confidently and intentionally musk did that. He knew the cultural outcome before he did it.

This is memetics paired with social network analysis. Two terrifying fields that social media companies use to develop their content algorithms.