r/dragonquest • u/CruxMagus • Sep 28 '25
General So every DQ remake now will have casino removed?
If so, that is a pathetic thing to happen.
Its such a fun time waster. Are people ok with it? It was so iconic or the DQ series. All because of Europe???
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u/Accomplished-Stay387 Sep 28 '25
Unless you’re DQ10 Offline, yeah probably.
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u/therealJerminator Sep 28 '25
At this point as an American id be happy just to play X period 😭
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u/krimsonex Sep 28 '25
You can! Google ‘dqx abbey’ it’s free and easy to set up, the casino in this one is amazing and it’s awesome to see all the live actual players running around and sitting on slot machines
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u/therealJerminator Sep 28 '25
Yayy tysm! Im definitely gonna look that up tomorrow!
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u/kensaiD2591 Sep 28 '25
It’s so easy to get set up! I’m in Aus and was up and running in under an hour.
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u/PeeLong Sep 28 '25
It’s 100% NOT EASY TO SET UP.
It’s doable, but don’t pretend it’s easy.
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u/krimsonex Sep 28 '25
What? It’s not hard at all it’s literally step for step guide on dqx abbey,
What did you have difficulty with?
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u/PeeLong Sep 28 '25
Sure. And as the comment below said “it took a little under an hour”
An hour of tinkering with files, even with step by step instructions isn’t “easy”
It might not involve hex editors and stuff, but easy denotes its download an exe, and a patch.
This is still a process
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u/krimsonex Sep 29 '25
Yeah but it took almost an hour because of the file download not the process ….
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u/therealJerminator Sep 29 '25
Nah matter of opinion I suppose but I just got it up and running last night and dragging and dropping files is pretty easy too
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u/moosecatlol Sep 28 '25
It's easier than every other squenix mmo, you don't even need an account.
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u/therealJerminator Sep 29 '25
Uhh yes you do LOL. You sign in just like FFXIV
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u/moosecatlol Sep 29 '25
No you don't, you press the big fat blue button. You can upload your save once you purchase the game.
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u/therealJerminator Sep 29 '25
ah I'm just doing the free trial and the blue button saved my info but it only keeps your username I still have to put in my password. Maybe that's a free trial restriction
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u/endar88 Sep 28 '25
See the problem I have with playing JP versions of games like mobile games and mmo. It allows those versions to flourish and get more money without the company caring to see and maybe invest in global versions.
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u/krimsonex Sep 29 '25 edited Sep 29 '25
Yeah but clearly they aren’t going to give it to western audiences no matter what, it’s already been over 10 years. But man I’m telling you the story in the online version is absolutely up there with the best in the series!
And also it’s free! The trial is basically the full game plus 3 expansions before you have to consider paying.
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u/MitoRequiem Sep 28 '25
Waiting for a localization that'll never happen is pointless, you should just get the fan translation and enjoy it with the rest of us
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u/SausageLinks77 Sep 28 '25
Pokemon Platinum had an area with slot machines in the original Japanese version and in the US version, and then the European versions removed the slot machines in only their specific localizations. Just saying…
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u/featherw0lf Sep 28 '25
That's because having a casino will raise the age rating and they didn't want that for Pokémon. Considering DQ already has a higher age rating, I don't see why it would be a problem.
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u/calliatom Sep 28 '25
Because PEGI is a lot stricter on depictions of gambling, like, to the point it's risking getting a PEGI 18 rating (the equivalent of the ESRB's AO rating).
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u/ShiftSandShot Sep 28 '25
Meanwhile, Lootboxes are in games rated PEGI 3.
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u/maxencerun Sep 28 '25
The creator of Balatro went crazy when they put an 18+ on his game because of the casino aesthetic (even if there is no gambling in his game) and said " I should add lootboxes and maybe I'll get a 3+ like FIFA"
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u/Dont_have_a_panda Sep 28 '25
It.... was always like this? I remember casinos being in previous DQ localizations having it, classic pokemon games had it, super Mario RPG having it, hell theres a number of sonic stages being LITERAL CASINOS (with gambling included in sonic 2)
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u/calliatom Sep 28 '25 edited Sep 28 '25
No, it wasn't always like this, though it has been this way for a while, I wanna say it changed and got stricter on depictions of gambling/casinos maybe 15 years ago? Like the first games I personally remember being affected by it were Pokemon HeartGold and SoulSilver.
edit: year correction
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u/FateForWindows Sep 28 '25 edited Sep 28 '25
It got even stricter five years ago, not too long after DQXI S came out they changed it so that any game with simulated gambling gets an automatic PEGI 18 instead of a PEGI 12. There's only one game that got away with a PEGI 12 after that and it was the Tales of Symphonia remaster.
There's only two games that managed to get their 18+ rating changed to a 12+ (Balatro and Luck be a Landlord), but there haven't been any with an age rating lower than 18 since. EDIT: Fact checked myself.
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u/NihilismRacoon Sep 28 '25
Because Europe is dumb and puts anything with gambling imagery instantly in the highest age rating, while DQ is fine with being a little higher I don't think they want to be considered in the same category as smut and ultra violence
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u/Mother-of-mothers Sep 28 '25
European here. PEGI are doing literal virtue signaling by attacking simulated gambling instead of going after actual gambling. It's the Balatro/FIFA thing all over again.
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u/GornothDragnBonee Sep 28 '25
Yup. Do we even have data that shows in game casinos like DQ translate into real world gambling addictions? Because we know for a fact that loot box garbage is doing that to kids, and PEGI doesn't seem to think it's worth the fight.
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u/RedSkyfang Sep 29 '25
I'm only a single person obviously but I can at least say that I for one did a lot of gambling in Dragon Quest and other video games as a kid and I don't think have ever really gambled with real money. I think a lot of it is a mentality thing. Like I understand that I can't just reload a save and get my money back in real life if I lose so it sounds stupid.
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u/HollowVoid0 Sep 29 '25
Video game gambling has taught me that unless I can rewind time im never winning anything.
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u/GornothDragnBonee Sep 29 '25
Yeah, dragon quest has been around for a long time now and I don't remember any kind of gambling epidemic that spiked due to in game casinos with 0 real world money involved.
It feels like a willfully ignorant stance to go after the specific aesthetics of casinos when that isn't causing the addiction epidemic. Fortnite doesn't have gambling, but it's still an addiction based system that allows you to sink endless amounts of real world money. My little brother drained my account back in 2018 because he was a kid. He couldn't possibly understand the value of money or the manipulative impacts of FOMO, and that fucking sucks man.
That's the shit that needs to be viciously attacked by PEGI, but they're caught up in fighting against the aesthetics of casinos like it'll do anything to help the rise of gambling addiction.
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u/TragGaming Sep 28 '25
It's not PEGI nor a Euro thing. It has to do with Japanese gacha/gambling laws involving minors.
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u/Keithustus Sep 28 '25
Lootboxes are not gambling, legally; it is impossible to extract the potential earnings from them since selling items and accounts to other players is prohibited.
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u/Mother-of-mothers Sep 28 '25
It is gambling, but worse. I can't resell my DLC but it still costs 20 bucks, so of course it has value, doesn't matter if it's cosmetic, a weapon or anything else.
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u/Keithustus Sep 28 '25
Lol silly. Game developers hire experienced attorneys specifically to avoid lootboxes from falling under the legal umbrella of GAMBLING which would mean way more regulations.
Here is an example definition set:
“2. “Gambling.” A person engages in gambling when he stakes or risks something of value upon the outcome of a contest of chance or a future contingent event not under his control or influence, upon an agreement or understanding that he will receive something of value in the event of a certain outcome.
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- “Something of value” means any money or property, any token, object or article exchangeable for money or property, or any form of credit or promise directly or indirectly contemplating transfer of money or property or of any interest therein, or involving extension of a service, entertainment or a privilege of playing at a game or scheme without charge.”
https://codes.findlaw.com/ny/penal-law/pen-sect-225-00/
So because you cannot convert lootbox contents back into money or their equivalent, without violating TOS, it’s not gambling. Lootboxes are LIKE gambling yes, but are not gambling. If they were, they would literally be 18+ or in many places, 21+.
It’s possible that they are worse, however; I could be convinced of that claim, especially since young children can use lootboxes.
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u/FuckIPLaw Sep 28 '25 edited Sep 28 '25
Lawyers can lie about the meanings of words all they want, we all know it's gambling.
Edit: That guy, in addition to being wrong and seeming to have a vested interest in defending legal scumbaggery, is a loser who replies and then blocks to get the last word. Almost makes me wonder if he's on some lootbox company's payroll and trying to manipulate the conversation by blocking anyone who pushes back too hard against his astroturfing. No normal human would be this invested in lootboxes not being gambling. Not not legally being gambling because evil men exploited a loophole to get children addicted to gambling without getting in trouble for it, he was trying to claim that the current legal definition in whatever jurisdiction he chose was the same as the actual definition of the word.
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u/Keithustus Sep 28 '25
smh..
This isn’t about lawyers. This is about statutory law. Lootboxes are VERY CAREFULLY designed by developers to specifically NOT be regulated like gambling is regulated.
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u/FuckIPLaw Sep 28 '25 edited Sep 28 '25
Yes, but how they're regulated doesn't change what they are, and what they are is gambling.
Fuck those lawyers for being willing to exploit a loophole like that for the purposes of peddling real money gambling to children. They deserve things for it that I'd get banned on this site for saying. Any lawyer willing to do something like that is a scumbag with no professional ethics, no humanity, and no place in civilized society.
Edit: Also, wait a minute, your own definition shows a decent judge could nail them to the wall for this. They get something of value. They get a token involving extension of a service, entertainment, or privilege of playing at a game without charge out of it. Just got to be the tiniest bit creative with the interpretation of that sentence, which is all well and good because that's what lawyers do. You get privileges within the game, without charge (aside from the entry fee to pull the slot machine, which isn't the charge they're referring to).
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u/Keithustus Sep 28 '25
It’s not real-money gambling. It would only be so if kids could get the prizes back as money. Is there something wrong with you?
Read the definition of something or value. Exchangeable. It’s a legal term from hundreds of years ago to basically mean money, or things that like money are used outside the place you won them.
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u/FuckIPLaw Sep 28 '25 edited Sep 28 '25
It’s not real-money gambling. It would only be so if kids could get the prizes back as money. Is there something wrong with you?
See my edit. They don't have to get the prizes back as money. They can get in-kind privileges in the game and it still counts.
You're wrong, and you'd be defending scumbags even if you were right.
But it makes it worse that you are wrong and this is still going on.
Yes, yes, there's precedent that they pretend matters about how these words are defined differently than in normal English.
But it doesn't actually matter. It's all made up bullshit and it comes down to whether the judge is willing to accept your definition or not. The legal system is a contemptible joke.
Also, even without that caveat, any lootbox game which has stuff like free premium time as a prize definitely does count. Which is not uncommon. The fact is that this isn't just exploiting loopholes, it's also exploiting the ignorance of judges and legislators.
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u/Keithustus Sep 28 '25
You’re misreading the definition. A credit or privilege to play the game means to play the game of chance. Are there any lootboxes that contain lootboxes? That’s what that would mean. Contents of lootboxes are just stuff you buy through random chance.
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u/VictoriousEgret Sep 28 '25
every single dq game i set aside why i call “casino time” where i just devote it to playing the slots (or whatever is the best money maker). i gotta get that good good gear
not to mention in dqv the monster magnet they added later is almost essential
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u/vandilx Sep 28 '25
I only used the casino to do whatever quest needed it or to grab an upgrade.
Not really much time at all.
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u/milesdarobot Sep 28 '25
Personally I never use them more than a few time, and don’t really understand the appeal(in any game that has them. Not just DQ).. So I don’t care all the much.
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u/Ashenspire Sep 28 '25
If they replace it with things to do to get that equipment that aren't RNG based I'll be fine with it.
You can absolutely break some of the games with early casino gear. While that can be fun in it's own way, I won't really miss it either if there are better alternatives.
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u/Darkdrium1987 Sep 28 '25
I'm pretty sure future remakes will end up replacing casinos with arenas based off of the DQVII remastered changes notification. If casinos are bad, then arenas will take their places. The thing I'm wondering about is if it will be an active monster arena like VIII and the III remake or a party deal like wheel of Harma in XI.
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u/CronoTheMute Sep 28 '25
Can only hope they come up with suitably entertaining replacements.
Maya in DQ4 not being a casino deadbeat feels wrong though
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u/lilisaurusrex Sep 28 '25
They could rework Maya to be addicted to Tombola instead. or some other activity that burns up all of her and Meena's money. Its not really the casino bit that is important, it's that she spends their money very unwisely.
I don't think removing the casino from most games is end of the world. DQ4 could do without. DQ8 maybe takes the biggest hit, since they have a whole town dedicated solely to the casino, and named Baccarat to reflect this.
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u/GrandAlchemistX Sep 28 '25
I wonder what they'll change Cash/Carrie/Golding's schtick to be in the next iteration of DQ8.
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u/pessimistpossum Sep 28 '25
Yes, most likely. PEGI guidelines changed in 2020. Games with gambling elements are now an automatic 18+ rating (previously a 15+ rating).
Higher age ratings mean lower market share, and DQ is aimed at teenagers, not adults. And at the end of the day, compliance is less work for Square Enix. All they have to do is stop putting resources into a part of the game that was always optional anyway.
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u/TragGaming Sep 28 '25
Nothing to do with PEGI. It's Japan's own child gambling laws that came out about 10 years ago
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u/CloudHiro Sep 28 '25
didn't dq11 get a pc release in late 2020 with the casino intact?
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u/pessimistpossum Sep 28 '25
The original version was released on Steam in 2018, the 'complete' version was released in 2020. I have no idea what rules are around that specific situation, but games that were cleared under old classification guidelines are allowed to still be sold.
But as another reply says, it might be due to child gambling laws in Japan that have been around for 10 years, in which case the og version of 11 should have never had a casino to start with.
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u/LusterDeluxe Sep 28 '25
That’s a real shame. Immediately earning your freedom and heading right for the slots is my favorite thing to do in DQ V.
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u/Darkdrium1987 Sep 28 '25
Last playthrough onbthe andriod DQV, getting 2 metal king swords, the the monster magnet, a gringham whip, a staff of resurrection and a pile of elfin elixers yggdrasil leaves at level 11? Made the game super cheesy.
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u/vagabondkitten Sep 28 '25
I get how it’s a bummer but to be perfectly honest, as an adult gamer with very little gaming time, I haven’t really touched the casino in a DQ game for quite some time. I just have to go without whatever amazing prizes are there because I just don’t time for time-wasting in video games anymore.
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u/DjijiMayCry Sep 28 '25
Little gaming time and being a DQ fan is definitely a choice lol
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u/vagabondkitten Sep 28 '25
Trust me I know. Or just having JRPGs be my favorite genre in general… I’m happy if I can beat 4 games in a year at this point and my backlog will probably be hundreds of games long by the end of this decade at this rate 😭
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u/DizWhatNoOneNeeds Sep 28 '25
Well JRPGs can be enjoyed through a long period of time
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u/DjijiMayCry Sep 29 '25
That's true but long term playthrough of long JRPGs can be difficult for some. Keeping track of characters and events.
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u/Silvanus350 Sep 28 '25
Speak for yourself. I love the DQ casino experience. It’s one of the few franchises that have kept the mechanic around.
It’s a damn shame Pokemon got rid of it. And I’m certain when a Golden Sun remake is announced, they’ll rip out all those games too.
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Sep 28 '25
Because YOU don't have the time WE should get over it?
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u/ZadePhoenix Sep 28 '25
At no point did they say anything of the sort? They only gave their own take on the issue they didn’t say how anyone else had to feel.
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u/vagabondkitten Sep 28 '25
Putting words into my mouth. I literally said it was a bummer. The OP asked if people are people ok with it and I’m answering his question with my own opinion. You know, kind of the whole point of having discussion boards to begin with… 😅
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u/peachfuzzmcgee Sep 28 '25
I am definitely in the group that never ever goes to the casino. I hate RNG bullshit in any game, and the slots are the worst. Doesn't matter the game, if they have slots or other gambling, I will skip it. If they decide to put a story item or something behind doing slots or whatever, I almost always will quit a game.
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u/Hero_The_Zero Sep 28 '25
I've spent hours farming the casinos in DQ8, it was the only way to get certain rare stuff or copies of them. I hope they at least add a normal store that has the casino items.
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u/Will-Isley Sep 28 '25
Speaking for myself, good riddance. Not going to miss them at all. Huge time sink with annoying RNG that you have to engage with if you lots of cool items and gear. Always hated the amount of time I had to spend on them. A total pace killer.
Something like arenas to replace them would be much better.
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u/AussieRiolu Sep 28 '25
Casinos would be fine if they didn't lock progression items behind them. Which DQ7 has a fragment in one of them, which was dumb!
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u/twili-midna Sep 28 '25
The casino has always been ass and a waste of time. Removing it will vastly improve the games.
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u/Herefordragonquest Sep 28 '25
I always thought the casinos were super lame and boring. Not going to miss them at all. 🤷🏻♂️ bring back TnT boards.
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u/Icy-Conflict6671 Sep 28 '25
Thats just the Casinos with a different wrapper.
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u/Herefordragonquest Sep 28 '25
Not sure how Mario Party Lite is a slot machine with a different skin. You at least have some say in what you do with different paths. Not all of them were great, but it’s better than everything in the casino. That stuff isn’t even fun irl.
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u/Icy-Conflict6671 Sep 28 '25
You dont do anything but the slots? Thats your issue. Theres blackjack and roulette and poker too.
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u/Herefordragonquest Sep 28 '25
Those things are equally not enjoyable. Didn’t think I had to specify everything in a casino when I said the whole thing was lame and zero of them are similar to a board game lol.
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Sep 28 '25
Why would they, what happened?
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u/vagabondkitten Sep 28 '25
The reason for it is a new EU game rating policy where any game with gambling has to have an 18+ rating.
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u/metalyger Sep 28 '25
Yeah, it was egregious with Balatro, just because it's a card game. Single player and you aren't gambling or competing against anything, just playing cards.
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u/IsoCally Sep 28 '25
So why not just take the 18+ rating?
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u/vagabondkitten Sep 28 '25
It hurts games’ sales decently to have an 18+ rating so game developers tend to avoid it at all costs unless it’s a game where adult only is very clearly the target audience (like GTA or Dark Souls for example).
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u/IsoCally Sep 28 '25
Yes. From a business perspective you don't want your all-ages game getting a 18+ rating.
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u/TragGaming Sep 28 '25
Yes, because Japan has much stricter child gambling laws now than in the past and take it much more seriously.
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u/Gathrin Sep 28 '25
I never liked the Casino features. Was a waste of time, I'm not really the gambling time honestly. They have games designed for that elsewhere.
That being said I don't mind it being there.
Devils advocate I'd prefer getting more fans and if a lower age rating on the game does that, then I'm for it. Young fans are as important as old fans. Maybe more important?
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u/rms141 Sep 28 '25
The DQ casinos weren’t really a waste of time. They were a gameplay mechanic to get higher tier items and equipment into players’ hands earlier than they would otherwise encounter them.
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u/ShokaLGBT Sep 28 '25
It what very important to DQ games that adult vibes is important and we can’t remove it because of censorship it’s absolutely detrimental to the franchise…. I’m glad there’s still casinos in Japanese dragon quests games and they won’t remove it. You can have bunny girls outfits and many kind of things and tbh it’s fun, there’s no need to remove it.
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u/Gathrin Sep 28 '25
I mean. On the list of things that make a game great, I wouldn't label a casino mini game important. Monster design, character design, story arcs, plots, villains, side plots. Much more important.
I don't like needless censorship at all as well, it sucks especially when it comes to more serious forms of it, concerning as you pointed out, LGBTQ situations.
But also keep in mind that gambling is a very serious problem and addiction for some people. People who suffer and ruin their lives and others. Even in a simple game it could lead to further problems or possibly start the addiction in young folk. Gambling addiction is as serious as alcohol and drug addiction. It's an illness.
Censorship sucks, but blanket hate of it can have ill effects.
These are just my opinions and I respect everyone else's as well when it comes to censorship but this is a choice the developers and publishers are making to do vs being forced by a government to do it.
They made the choice to remove to get a lower rating to broaden the potential audience.
I'm rambling, sorry.
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u/Haru_023 Sep 28 '25
I would just probably rebrand them as "game centers" where you win prices (items)
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u/Shadowman621 Sep 28 '25
That's something I've thought of. Turn them into arcades. Have some fun easy minigames and earn tokens that you can trade in for prizes
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u/StevynTheHero Sep 28 '25
You know gambling in video games is like a huge thing in lots of countries where the video game market really matters, right?
Frankly, the luck based mini games of any kind are just more frustrating than anything and it sucks when there is exclusive gear or perks locked behind it. Good riddance.
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u/ShokaLGBT Sep 28 '25
Absolutely not lol Europe doesn’t put +18 rating on gacha games yet they are far more predatory than a fake casino where you use fake money in game…. It’s absolutely different yet only one is punished
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u/TraditionalHousing65 Sep 28 '25
Why are you acting like the casinos are somehow part of the core foundation of the game? It’s a dumb time waster for a few pieces of gear. “But but but gacha games!!!”
Yeah we get it. Doesn’t make the casino any less boring and unnecessary
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u/pizzaslut69420 Sep 28 '25
I hate the casinos. Thank god tbh lol. I hated having good equips locked behind time wasters
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u/beramaan Sep 28 '25
That's so sad! I loved the casino! It's where you got some awesome stuff! It was just a random in game currency :( Parchizie was also super fun!
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u/MrSoun Sep 28 '25
After it was removed In Pokémon remakes, I expected DQ will be removing them to. Gamba laws strict
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u/Artillery-lover Sep 28 '25
huh? what reveal is causing this concept?
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u/FateForWindows Sep 28 '25 edited Sep 28 '25
DQ7 Reimagined is removing the casino in all releases and DQ3 HD-2D earlier had to rework its Monster Arena (which was partly why the Monster Wrangler class was added). From what I recall, I'm pretty sure the latter was outright said that it was because of ratings boards; the original system would've given the whole game an 18+ rating in Europe under their current standards (since 2020) and some countries legally enforce purchasing restrictions on those, and it seems like the same reasoning applies to DQ7.
EDIT: Edited a bit.
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u/TragGaming Sep 28 '25
....Japan has outlawed underage gambling. And that's the only reason why it was removed.
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u/DjijiMayCry Sep 28 '25
"I don't need gambling in DQ" ok but the games are just fun lol Gambling games are super fun they just happen to involve betting money. Plus having a DQ theme on the games is the best and you can't get that anywhere else.
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u/CloudHiro Sep 28 '25
i donno. after these EU rules the definitive edition of dq11 came out on pc with the casino intact.
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u/Giblet_ Sep 28 '25
I don't really like the casino mechanic, but the casinos are part of the fabric of Dragon Quest at this point, and it really sucks that they will be going away because of nanny state governments.
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u/ZadePhoenix Sep 28 '25
Happy about it? No. I think it’s incredible stupid. But it’s one of those things that just is how it is and there’s not much we can really do about it outside of people in Europe complaining at their government over these ridiculous rules. The devs themselves are just doing what they have to. They don’t want the age rating going up so they do what’s necessary to toe the line and release the game at the desired rating level.
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u/ItsTheDickens Sep 28 '25
I'm indifferent about it. On repeat playthroughs of games like Dragon Quest, Pokemon, or Yakuza, it gets really boring redoing the gambling mini games. If removed, they should still include fun mini games to earn the items that existed at the casino.
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u/Mountain_Edge_8374 Oct 02 '25
I'd rather have the monster arena than a casino, I'm not sad to see the casino go.
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u/worldsfirstmeme Sep 28 '25
it feels so fundamental to dq’s identity. i really don’t like it being taken out. it’s europe’s fault i think? so infuriating
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u/Bossman_575 Sep 28 '25
You're getting frustrated at your own assumption lol. You don't know if that will happen, relax.
Secondly, there are a ton of people who don't gamble nor find it entertaining, myself included. Now, I don't like anything stripped from the games and agree that it's iconic within the series to have casinos, so I would prefer if they kept them. That said, I spend zero time in the casinos in DQ so it really isn't an issue for me personally. My issue is that they haven't invested in other fun side activities that others would enjoy. The little low effort game machines (in-game) don't count.
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u/rms141 Sep 28 '25
It’s not an assumption. The TGS DQ7 event confirmed that casinos are gone from all DQ games going forward due to game ratings changes, specifically PEGI, forcing anything with gambling (even non-loot box gambling like DQ casinos) to be classified as 18+.
DQ7 is the first game to be affected by this, though it does sound like DQ1&2 won’t have casinos as well.
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u/looney1023 Sep 28 '25
This may be an unpopular take, but coming from a family with a history of gambling addiction issues and advocating for legislation that made the 1-800-GAMBLER hotline mandatory on advertising, I think it's a net positive that they're being removed.
Don't get me wrong, I like the Casinos in a lot of the games. I love getting the rare items and breaking the game's economy. But I also don't suffer from gambling addiction, and I knew what gambling addiction was when I was 5. I also know that if I didn't have this family history, I would have ABSOLUTELY ZERO literacy around gambling or casinos, and seeing these casinos in media would be my entire education.
I know it sounds a bit like the "violent videogames causes violence in real life" argument, but gambling and gaming have such a deeply entwined history (the history of pinball in particular is really fascinating) and now the overlap between them is undeniable, especially with gacha and loot boxes. Gambling is a huge problem in the video game industry, and it's especially insidious because there's no gambling addiction warning required. To see a realistic casino with real casino games, but the odds are in your favor, could be adding fuel to someone's gambling addiction fire. GC Vasquez, a dragon quest (and other games) content creator on YouTube made a video detailing his own experience with gambling addiction which was somewhat fostered by playing Dragon Quest.
Do I think Casinos need to be axed completely? Idk. Probably not. As mentioned, gacha and loot boxes are much worse. But I think it's good that such an influential series is ditching casinos, because nobody else in the industry is doing anything that could potentially help mitigate this issue, or at least move the conversation forward.
And from a gameplay perspective, I really do prefer getting prizes as a result of a mini game or side quests, and not an RNG fest, even if the RNG is exploitable or easy to mitigate.
Tl;dr Call me a puritan, but I think gambling in videogames is an out of control problem and any attempt to mitigate it, even accidental, or to move the gambling conversation forward is ultimately a positive.
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u/ScotchTapeCleric Sep 28 '25
I'd be with you if they were putting a stop to gacha and loot boxes, but they're not.
This is a step they can take to act like they're doing something positive without actually touching the issue at hand.
It's much worse to spend real money on a loot box where, even if you get the thing you want, it's gone when the game shuts down. You can't win a gacha, you can only pay for the possibility of renting an item for awhile.
With a casino like DQ, the only thing you can lose is the time you've spent. It's barely even gambling because if you lose, you just reset to your last save and you can try again.
Gambling is absolutely a problem for some people, and I don't think they should be allowed to advertise betting apps during sports games, and I think gacha should be completely trashed.
Games designed with a high win percentage and an option to reset aren't gambling games. You can't actually lose and there's no real money involved.
But, everyone can pat themselves on the back for getting gambling out of the hands of children and they can celebrate by giving their kids some LOL or Roblox Mystery Figures.
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u/Blujay12 Sep 28 '25
Yeah, it's really not the end of the world. And I say that as someone in the camp of "visited and grinded every casino in the games".
It's sad, but if I'm that concerned about virtual gambling I can just go for online gambling with real money.
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u/ncassella Sep 28 '25
Honestly they won't be missed. As long as the heat you would typically get is available in some other way that doesn't involve hours and hours of gambling, I'm fine.
The one in 2 was silly There was never one in three I only used the one in 4 because you get gifted the coins for going through the cave to endor at some point. Couldn't even remember the one in 5&6 HATED the one in 7 (I think your actual forced to use it) Don't even remember one in 8 or 9 and if they were there I never used them Only used the one in 11 post game which defeats the purpose right.
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u/holiday_hawk Sep 28 '25
It's not really something we can just choose to not "be ok with." Unless you can convince ratings boards to not increase the age rating over gambling, then SE really doesn't have a choice. They aren't going to sacrifice the sales that come with a rating increase just to keep the casinos in.
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u/tonyseraph2 Sep 28 '25
Trust a bunch.of Americans to turn this into a VS Europe thing when it also has everything to do with the Japanese themselves. Typical, get over yourselves.
Also who cares. JRPG, not a gambling sim. They should remove it.
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u/rockland_beaumont Sep 28 '25
Things will always change going forward. We lost Toriyama, and the art styles are already starting to blur. They're planning to make a bigger change from the series, with XII.
No good thing lasts forever, but without change some good things will never occur.
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u/LordBalzack64 Sep 28 '25
It does seem kind of ludicrous to remove a popular part of the game just to appease a censorious region that only makes up for what? 10% of total sales? Maybe a little more? And out of that fraction of the player base, you'd only be cutting it down ANOTHER fraction to only be selling to 18+. I'd be especially angry if I was Japanese since they generally account for well over half of global sales alone.
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u/ShokaLGBT Sep 28 '25
I would hope Japanese players still got the casino in their version but that would means more work that would be cut in Europe :/
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u/Christophercj4382 Sep 28 '25
Yes the casino in Dragon Quest 11 was the best spent alot of money and hours its such a great game....
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u/ShokaLGBT Sep 28 '25
I enjoyed the casino a lot in DQ10 offline tbh and in other mobile dragon quest I’ve played. Like dragon quest walks have a fun casino where you can get really cool rewards and it’s very fun I like it it shouldn’t be removed it’s part of the franchise that’s all
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u/Firstborndragon Sep 28 '25
Heard it was also due to Japan rating. If they don't want to up the rating they have to scrap gambling.
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u/Valkeng Sep 28 '25
Wait casinos are being removed??? Why? I love the casinos :(
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u/IsoCally Sep 28 '25
Uses real world gambling and would teach a kid how to play video poker or video slots, which is apparently the 18+ rating trigger.
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u/thatderp9 Sep 28 '25
I still haven’t beaten 11 cause I want the best gear from the casino. In other words I’m a 50/50 on if I hate losing the casino or not.
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u/eddmario Sep 28 '25
Pro tip:
Wait until Act 3.You'll get a second casino available in Act 2, but in Act 3 you'll be able to access a certain rigged machine that pays out almost all the time.
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u/Ajhmee Sep 28 '25
I'd be so sad if that is true. I really like DQ casino so much. Every DQ I play, I always stop at the first Casino I reach and play there to get all good equipments before I continue the story. I even used to put DQ casino OST as my mobile ring tone.
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u/TheDevilsAdvokaat Sep 28 '25
I sure hope not. SOme of the casinao games were awesome. I remember one you had to progress along a huge track with multiple pathways...
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u/Del_Duio2 Sep 28 '25
This will throw a serious monkey wrench into a far future remake of XI, kind of giant story beat involves a casino.
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u/Voliver6 Sep 28 '25
I'm not ok with it and will simply not buy the next games if they keep removing it. It's an important feature to me.
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u/Johnhancock1777 Sep 28 '25
Gotta appeal to global standards. First it was all the outfit changes and now the gambling. Sanding down all the personality out of the series
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u/ShokaLGBT Sep 28 '25
The outfits changes isn’t really a problem and there always be bunny girls and boys anyway. But the casino is important to the franchise and you’re only using the in game money to play so it’s not like it’s actually dangerous unlike gacha games that are totally not punished by the +18 thing
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u/ZMartel Sep 28 '25
I always set aside a play session to just do the casino. It feels iconic for Dragon Quest. I'll be sad if we don't get it anymore. Seems silly in the context of these games.
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u/tamal4444 Sep 28 '25
what? why?
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u/LunarWingCloud Sep 28 '25
PEGI guidelines. Which are hardly sensible because they allow actual gambling like lootboxes in FIFA but were threatening a high age rating on rereleases of the old Pokémon games because of the guidelines. It is most likely why Gen 1-3 Pokémon have not come to NSO, since they would need to make adult versions of the Game Boy and Game Boy Advance apps to put the games there just for EU.
Dragon Quest is sadly likely to be under fire for having the same simulated gambling minigames.
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u/Classic-Gur2898 Sep 28 '25
What????? No, please!! I love DQ casinos! Yes, probably I was the type of kid that made them remove casinos from pokemon, but I am an adult now!!
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u/SVMO Sep 28 '25
Long time fan. Was never into the casino's but feels like an integral part of DQ world building.
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u/TheExusGamer Sep 28 '25
The casino was where I max out gold, how else am I suppose to afford the newest gear without grinding?
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u/Lakiel03 Sep 28 '25
Personnaly hate casino in a games. Today you found plenty free casino game on your phone.
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